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I do wonder if we are talking about different londons on these kind of threads, the london I worked in for many many years, and lived pretty close to, was dirty, smelly, almost impossible to navigate around, was over priced anywhere near any tourist trap and closed after office hours (tourist traps aside) If you wanted to go somewhere after work it meant either staying up in town (and paying a fortune for a hotel) or taking the last train home, at 11pm, if you're lucky and its running, and of course the real dangers taking a late train while not exactly sober.

It not a nice place, sure it may be better if you live a stones throw from the square mile, but you'll need to earn mega money to do that, or live in a fleapit.
i think we might be. living in central london as a single person is totally different from living in the commuter belt as a middle-aged married couple.

my advice to the OP is to go and live in a part of london that is no more than 2/3 of the distance from leicester square to the grey perimeter in the map below.



living in central london compared to living outside and being a commuter are two completely different experiences.

maybe if you're old enough to want to trade off a bigger place for distance from centre, you might consider switzerland an alternative, but at the age of 25, there's just no contest.
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Re: Can I leave Switzerland with that salary?

Seems like the 'ayes' have it.
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Re: Can I leave Switzerland with that salary?

I too agree that 40k in London isn't bad at all.

However on that money don't expect your own place in the middle of town. If I were you, I'd think about living somewhere like Bromley if you want your own place.

40k will be about £2100 per month after tax. Expect rent to take about a 3rd AT LEAST.

However, things like beer are much cheaper (V important at any age of life I think).

If you don't know anybody at all, I would agree with smackerjack. Get a flatshare in town. Look at loot.co.uk or gumtree.co.uk. It will have loads of postings for flatshares.
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The time is right to go and experience some real life,
What is real life? Certainly not London on 40k

I wish I came here at 25 the girls are stunning, night-life is awesome (if you make the effort to integrate) I'm saving more than ever and have you ever had a look at Lucern? Compare that to Tower Hamlets!
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What is real life? Certainly not London on 40k

the girls are stunning, night-life is awesome (if you make the effort to integrate) I'm saving more than yadayadayada Lucern?
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Re: Can I leave Switzerland with that salary?

Thank you all for all the interesting and honest answers.
I was simply curious to know if £40k would be enough for a decent life in London. I defînitively want to keep my car to move around, I personally hate public transportations. Out of that I don't need a big house, two rooms are enough, maybe a small garden

I know the salary could be higher, that's why before I'll accept I will ask for more money. I also was think something not below 50k, but let's see how the negotiation goes.

I've been living here in CH for 16 years, and I have to admit I feel a bit claustrophobic now. Switzerland is so small and the rest of the world is so big that everything leads me to think that I should accept no matter what, and start having a real life out there...
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I wish I came here at 25 the girls are stunning....
Compare that to Tower Hamlets!
The girls are pretty here, no doubt about that, and Tower Hamlets is a sh1thole of the first degree, as are a lot of the suburbs.

But, he should still go. The upsides outweigh the downsides.
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...I almost chocked on my water when I read that. You'se a real funny dude...
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Watch it Lib or you'll be wearing that family bargain bucket next week!
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Re: Can I leave Switzerland with that salary?

£40K is more than CHF90K.
I was on £32K (although up north) and moved to CHF90K.
To paraphrase lots of people here, a lot of British families live on much less.

Yes London is expensive for what it is, and yes taxes are higher (make sure you know what tax bracket you are, it goes up to 40% on anything you earn over the basic rate. Make sure you include this as your take home will be less than you think (although the first 7K is free and the next 30K is 20%. National insurence (like pension/unempolyment/sick insurence), pension, travel pass loan etc should also be included. Generally, for most jobs they say your take home is about 70% of pay, but if you are earning enough for higher tax bracket say 65% to be sure.
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/rates/it.htm
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/ni/intro/basics.htm

The big point here is that if are earning enough to pay the higher tax then you are earning quite a bit. And it depends on the package too. You won't need health insurence for example, but if it includes private health benefits then that's nice.

Go, have fun. I'm sure most people here will agree that going to a different country is well worth it.

And whilst you are there you can complain about all the annoying habits that the rude Brits have and declaim the superioty of the Swiss
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Re: Can I leave Switzerland with that salary?

Sounds like Matt is too used to the Swiss standard of living. Probably going to be miserable having to deal with all the commoners on mass transit to get to work. Or the two tap water system
London would be great fun I am sure but it is not for all 25 year olds.
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Re: Can I leave Switzerland with that salary?

Why not keep your 90K job and use the extra cash to take weekend trips to London (or some other European city)?
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Why not keep your 90K job and use the extra cash to take weekend trips to London (or some other European city)?
..because he wouldn't know which airline to take.
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Re: Can I leave Switzerland with that salary?

I can't believe you're 25 and earning 90K in Switzerland. That's making my jaw drop.

I am absolutely jealous and I hate you.
When I was 25, my salary that year was below the poverty line.
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i think we might be. living in central london as a single person is totally different from living in the commuter belt as a middle-aged married couple.

my advice to the OP is to go and live in a part of london that is no more than 2/3 of the distance from leicester square to the grey perimeter in the map below.



living in central london compared to living outside and being a commuter are two completely different experiences.

maybe if you're old enough to want to trade off a bigger place for distance from centre, you might consider switzerland an alternative, but at the age of 25, there's just no contest.
Totally agree with Phil here. Lived in Islington for a year when I first went to the big Fat City.

Worked in the West End so the pace of life was great to start with. Late night drinks and easy transport home, city living, Hampstead Heath and Camden etc

Then you start to grow up and realise that travelling 1.5 miles to get to work that takes 40 mins is ridiculous, living on the borders of Hackney in a 2 room apartment for 1200 per month is robbery and turning into a nasty persone 'hating tourists tripping you up' and getting angry at missing the tube when a another one comes 2 minutes after

Moved out to the home counties....loved it! Loved being out in the 'sticks' and disappearing from the Rat Race. Slower pace of life, got a dog and a whole house for the price of a flat in London! The commute was and is expensive though by train, and its cramped and you rarely get a seat. I only worked in London for 4 years as I got totally sick of it.

Now 28 we moved to Zurich as we thought why not....Love it here but still think about 'home' often.
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Totally agree with Phil here. Lived in Islington for a year when I first went to the big Fat City.

Worked in the West End so the pace of life was great to start with. Late night drinks and easy transport home, city living, Hampstead Heath and Camden etc

Then you start to grow up and realise that travelling 1.5 miles to get to work that takes 40 mins is ridiculous, living on the borders of Hackney in a 2 room apartment for 1200 per month is robbery and turning into a nasty persone 'hating tourists tripping you up' and getting angry at missing the tube when a another one comes 2 minutes after

Moved out to the home counties....loved it! Loved being out in the 'sticks' and disappearing from the Rat Race. Slower pace of life, got a dog and a whole house for the price of a flat in London! The commute was and is expensive though by train, and its cramped and you rarely get a seat. I only worked in London for 4 years as I got totally sick of it.

Now 28 we moved to Zurich as we thought why not....Love it here but still think about 'home' often.
personally, i loved travelling on the tube, but i can see why people hate it. if you hate it, live within walking distance of work - and extend walking distance to 30 minutes walk (with a few months of training, you should be get up to london walking speeds and be able to cover 2 miles in that time).

i'm amazed by the number of people who hate london due to the commute but insist on commuting when their personal circumstances allowed them to avoid commuting.

forget the car. walking, tube and taxi are the only sane means of transport.
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Re: Can I leave Switzerland with that salary?

I agree with Phil. If you live in the city itself a car will be a pain in the neck. However, if you live outside London (like Bromley as I said earlier), you're on the outskirts so its very handy for trips away.

Seriously, if I were 25 again (and I could get back here easily), then I would jump at the chance of a year or 2 in London.

Whilst I'm also a "young whippersnapper" compared to some, I've hit the point in life where you start thinking more about a pair of comfy slippers in the evening, more than going to the pub.

Life is short, and there are a lot of things to do. Give it a go whilst you still can. You can always come back if you don't like it.
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personally, i loved travelling on the tube, but i can see why people hate it. if you hate it, live within walking distance of work - and extend walking distance to 30 minutes walk (with a few months of training, you should be get up to london walking speeds and be able to cover 2 miles in that time).

i'm amazed by the number of people who hate london due to the commute but insist on commuting when their personal circumstances allowed them to avoid commuting.

forget the car. walking, tube and taxi are the only sane means of transport.
I don't hate London but yes I hated the commute. I love going back to London. Hated Hackney for the fear of my life!
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Re: Can I leave Switzerland with that salary?

single in CH vs. single in London... no contest in my mind

CH is great for families, settling down, etc London is great for everything else.... and you'll probably find the coveted brown sugar, KFC, etc that people seem to love

Go for a year or 2, if you like it stay, if not come back. Don't over-analyze or life will pass you by
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