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..because he wouldn't know which airline to take.
Are you jealous?
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Hello everyone,

I received an offer from a company based in London (UK) as Online Analyst. I am 25 and I currently work in canton Lucerne, my actual income is CHF 90,000 per year, I have a car (no leasing) and I do all the normal stuff a guy of my age does. The money I earn now is enough for a very good living.

The new company (London based) offers me £40,000 + package per year. What's the package about? Is this amount of money enough for a decent life in the UK?

I feel like by accepting this offer I will go backwards at least from a salary point of view. On the other hand I will have a greater international experience.

What do you think?

Depends - is money the most important thing for you? Will the job give you new experience you could caplitalize on to progress your carreer? Do you think the new job will grab your attention?

Where are you from btw. Person i just love London, and if you've never lived there, then you should go and experience the whole chabang. Sell the car though- no use to you in London. Have fun- I did.
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Re: Can I leave Switzerland with that salary?

If you can't live in London on 40K when you are young and single, you'll probably never leave Switzerland until you're no longer young, possibly still single. Simply converting £ into CHF doesn't work when people move to Switzerland, and it certainly doesn't when they leave either. Can you talk to other analysts at the company to find out how they manage in London on 40k? It also doesn't sound like a "forever" move, and if international experience will help with your career in the future then it may be possible to justify some sacrifice.
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Re: Can I leave Switzerland with that salary?

Also consider if you even like the idea of living in a large, overcrowded environment, all the population of CH crowded into a space the size of Zug (more or less).

Some people like that situation, others (such as myself), would loathe the idea.

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Re: Can I leave Switzerland with that salary?

However if you do go, be prepared for when you get back to start complaining about:
  • The price of meat in Switzerland
  • The general price of everything in Switzerland
  • People staring at you
  • Inability to get brown sugar / KFC
The list goes on.....

In all seriousness though, I really do miss Sainsburys....
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I think it boils down to how you want to live in London.

If you are used to your own pad and that it what you want in London then you will struggle.
If you are prepared to share then that will be enough for a great time.
( My son was recently sharing in a flat and could walk into the City and was paying £575 - there were 5 of them and the pad was really nice - very trendy!) His flatmates were all earning around the 23k bracket.
You are only 25 - London is wonderful at that age!
I agree. In terms of UK salaries it is not bad for a 25 yr old. My one son, as a qualified CA isn't earning a huge deal more than that, and the other considerably less...and housesharing is the way to go..
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Why would I be jealous?
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Re: Can I leave Switzerland with that salary?

When I was young I loved living in London - even out in zone 4.

When I went back a few years ago - I loved living in London some of the time - and that was in zone 2 (and just 15min to work).

London is tiring - even as tourist now - I end trying to find a quiet pub for a good beer and a chance to unwind.

I am a full of Swiss-o-phile - I love this place. I'm committed to this place.

BUT London rocks.

Go there for 18mths - 3 years and enjoy it. Go out, enjoy the restaurants, the bars, the cheap girls () and remember to live life like your 25. Don't take a car - unless you expect to be out of "town" most weekends. A grotty little 1-bed flat as close to the centre as you can - will suffice - you won't need a garden or a balcony. Live cheap, party hard.

And then, in a few years, you'll wake up and realise you are tired of it. Tired of the commute, tired of the dirt, tired of the people - then come back to Switzerland. Then, when you go back to London - you'll go as a tourist - and love it all over again.

(Tourist traps might be expensive - but they are full of horny tourists. Many a Saturday was spent watching the world go by and chatting up tourists from the comfort of Leicester Sq All Bar One - before moving on to Waxys for a little more action. Damn I really was Dodgy back then)

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£40K is more than CHF90K.
Your exchange rate converter is B0RK3N.
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Re: Can I leave Switzerland with that salary?

Forget London, overrated innit?

Along with the other lifestyle experts here on "Decide your life by proxy.ch", I'd recommend Lima, Peru on $ 15K per year. You'd live like a king and at that altitude you'll build up a good string set of lungs. And have access to cheap drugs.
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Forget London, overrated innit?

Along with the other lifestyle experts here on "Decide your life by proxy.ch", I'd recommend Lima, Peru on $ 15K per year. You'd live like a king and at that altitude you'll build up a good string set of lungs. And have access to cheap drugs.
Do you need to buy the sandles before you go or buy them locally when you arrive??
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Re: Can I leave Switzerland with that salary?

I'm in London right now, just about to leave for a while.
I would say, at 25, £40,000 isn't a bad salary but you certainly won't be able to find anything with a garden in central London you can afford on that salary. You won't be able to spend all your free time in clubs and restaurants either, without ending up broke at the end of each month.
Commuting is horrible. The tubes are always breaking down and, at weekends, half the lines aren't running. Certainly the Circle Line doesn't run at all now at the weekends.
Owning a car in the middle of London is almost impossible. In most areas you'll need a resident's parking permit, which isn't cheap, and there are far more cars than parking spaces anyway so, even if you pay, you'll often have difficulty getting a parking place.
Having said all that, and even being 3 times your age, I still absolutely love the time I spend here, and I'm coming back to Lausanne with mixed feelings.
Were I 25, I'd rather be in London but, for families with young children, I feel sure Switzerland is a better place to be, for any number of reasons.
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Re: Can I leave Switzerland with that salary?

As someone who has lived and worked in London for most of his life (with around 3 years total in Germany,6 months China, 1.5 years Basel) it really does seem that people either screw their lives up or make stuff up to justify their move.

London is bad for commuting? Sure. If you decide to live somewhere difficult. I live(d) in the centre of London and cycled to/from work. When it got very hot one summer - too hot to cycle in my work clothes - I walked down to Embankment and took the riverboat to Canary Wharf. It's part of the public transport so quite cheap. And wonderful.

London is dirty? Compared to any other big city I'd say it's similar. London's changed a lot over the last 10, even 5 years. I feel shocked seeing how dirty Paris is when I come out of the Eurostar station.

London is expenive? To find a nice apartment to rent, sure. But compromises can be made. Mine isn't a pretty looking building (built in the 50s, like virtually every apartment every friend of mine in Basel lives in, actually) but it's surroundedby nicer Georgian buildings. Plus it's on the ground floor. But it's walking distance to Soho/Covent Garden/Oxford Street etc. So that was my tradeoff. Plus if you have a car, you're inside the congestion charge which gives you a 90% (I think) reduction on it if you drive. I didn't.

Food, entertainment,public transport (yes, really, mile for mile) isn't expensive. People who moan about over crowded trains usually decide to live in Surrey and commute every day. Don't do this. As a single guy, doing that would be stupid beyond belief. Cycle to work.

Going out in London is so totally different to anywhere in Switzerland, or nearby, that ... well, it's just different. So much is going on.

What you DON'T get is a quick cycle into the forest, BBQs by the river, arranging to meet loads of friends at 7pm and they can all make it easily after leaving work, going home, changing, and coming out again.

I love London. You should do it.

To those people on another thread who shout "well go there then!" each time someone says they love something ... do grow up. I do go to London. I lived there for many years and will live there again. Right now, I'm doing something different. But not for ever.
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Old 31.10.2011, 20:14
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Re: Can I leave Switzerland with that salary?

I think the first question you should ask yourself is - how much do you like your current job, and how much do you comparatively expect to like the one in London?

That would be my deciding factor before anything else. A city isn't that fun if work is constantly bringing you down.
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I personally hate public transportations.
err, on that statement alone, you should not move to London. It's really not practical to drive in London for most things (the parking will either be astromically expensive, or a mile away from your destination....or both).

And public transport in London is a lot nastier (less clean, less reliable) than in Switzerland.
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And public transport in London is a lot nastier (less clean, less reliable) than in Switzerland.
If we focus only on inner city public transport ... yes, it is dirtier. Can't deny that. They do try to keep it clean but it's so very crowded that it gets dirty quickly. It is also less reliable, but imo that is more than balanced out by the frequency of it. Plus the fact night buses run to most destinations throughout the night.

Trams in the evening in Basel are reliable - reliably 16-18 minutes apart.

If we take trains across the country ... some of the suburban commuter trains (I suppose like a S-Bahn) are like city transport - crowded and dirty. However, city to city trains are usually fine.

And just for fun :

Prices ... most of us here have a Halbtax so forget the actual train prices. But it's 62 CHF return from Basel to Zurich (one hour). At least in the UK you can usually avoid "walk in prices" and buy in advance.

Walk-in price London to Oxford (also one hour) : £21.50. But this does jump to £51 if you travel peak times, which I think is before 9am.

Bus from Basel airport to the centre of Basel : 4 CHF (5 miles)
Tube/metro from Heathrow T123 to Picadilly circus £2.70 (£4.50 peak - 15 miles)

Where Switzerland wins is that I'm comparing Basel or Zurich with London. If I were to pick an English town a similar size to Basel with 200,000 inhabitants ... public transport would suck big time. But I've never lived in one of those. I'm afraid I'm one of the "London or abroad" snobs!
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Thank you all for all the interesting and honest answers.
I was simply curious to know if £40k would be enough for a decent life in London. I defÓnitively want to keep my car to move around, I personally hate public transportations. Out of that I don't need a big house, two rooms are enough, maybe a small garden

I know the salary could be higher, that's why before I'll accept I will ask for more money. I also was think something not below 50k, but let's see how the negotiation goes.

I've been living here in CH for 16 years, and I have to admit I feel a bit claustrophobic now. Switzerland is so small and the rest of the world is so big that everything leads me to think that I should accept no matter what, and start having a real life out there...
If you have Swiss citizenship then go...that's one of the advantages of having citizenship in a country. You can come and go as you please. If you don't like London, you can turn around the next week and come back to Switzerland without worrying about visas, permits and all of that stuff. Go with the state of mind that "its just to check it out." Be open-minded about your move. Your status in Switzerland is key because at the moment, to be honest, UK is turning into a "hellhole" with more problems looming...
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Parts of the UK are run-down. Like the US. Or France. Or large parts of NE Germany. Not like Switzerland though - have to agree.

If you want to live in a hell-hole it's definitely doable. However, it's also possible not to. Small differences in location make a big difference.

Rent a room in a shared house near Russell Square - lovely. Rent a small apartment or studio for the same amount 1 mile morth (just behind Euston station) and it's nasty.

Switzerland is stable.

You're much less likely to do yourself an injury, or even get sweaty, if you just stay on the side of a mountain and don't move. However, the view from the top is wonderful and the fall down the other side is exhilirating.

Stability versus excitement.

Not "hellhole" vs "paradise".

What Switzerland does offer is a choice. You live in stability and take the adrenaline and excitement when you like. In many areas of the UK it's the other way around. Damn. I'm starting to plug Switzerland! :-)
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I agree. In terms of UK salaries it is not bad for a 25 yr old. My one son, as a qualified CA isn't earning a huge deal more than that, and the other considerably less...and housesharing is the way to go..
I hate sharing! :-( When I was teaching near London, I had colleagues who earn less than that, and lived alone in one bedroomed flats, (with separate kitchen and lounge) in places like Twickenham - that's close enough to be commuting to the city.

I am also saving less in Switzerland than I did in the UK, even though I earn more here.
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