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Leaving Switzerland same day we do handover is that too much

We are shortly leaving Switzerland and have arranged the apartment handover at 8 in the morning, we were initially thinking of flying out the next day but are now thinking of just flying out the same day.

Is this a crazy idea? Should we really allow one day for any issues? We have never moved apartments here before so I am unsure of handover details.

We have a cleaning company doing the clean with a guarantee and can not forsee any issues that would happen.

Anyone's experience with moving would be greatly appreciated.
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We are shortly leaving Switzerland and have arranged the apartment handover at 8 in the morning, we were initially thinking of flying out the next day but are now thinking of just flying out the same day.

Is this a crazy idea? Should we really allow one day for any issues? We have never moved apartments here before so I am unsure of handover details.

We have a cleaning company doing the clean with a guarantee and can not forsee any issues that would happen.

Anyone's experience with moving would be greatly appreciated.
You should fly out a couple days after if you can manage it.


IF you have an unscrupulous landlord, and I have met a lot of people here that think they have great landlords until this happens, they will ream you of your deposit, and you will be out of the country with a lot of effort involved to get any of it back.


Just because a cleaning company offers a guarantee does not mean that is the end of it. If the company damages anything while cleaning, that you did not damage, it will be next to impossible for you to prove that away from the property. Such as, a cleaner scrubs a wall too hard and does paint damage, or tries to clean the blinds and makes them mechanically un sound. They could clean the place, and be at the handover, and simply act like the damage was there when they got there, and you would not be to disagree with it. Having insurance(a guarantee) is not just about whether the place is clean or not, it's also what they can to do to the place trying to get it clean, and make you responsible for repairs. That is one thing.


I know people that have done normal wear and tear picture frame, lamp holes, which should not have to be repaired as anything un usual, but they had to leave the country immediately and the agent told them they had to do a re paint, and charged them 1000 CHF to cap holes, and do spot repainting, on a 1.5 for example.


There could be some minor disagreement with things, and they decide to hold your return deposit for up to 3 months, whereas if you were able to take time and address the tings face to face, you could get it back the same day.


Or you aren't there for the handover, and you do not employ a handover agent, and you hope for the best. I know someone this happened to very recently, and the agent actually let the new tenants do the handover. What I mean is, the old tenant had left, the agent was not there, and the new tenant walked thru the building, and "rejected" the cleaning work, and then hired another company to come and clean, as the old tenant was not there to enforce their rights(and sent the bill to the old tenant of course). The whole thing is ridiculous, and I don't think is legal. But what do you do from a foreign country with no one interested in protecting your rights?


Unless you have cash to burn, I say stick around until your affairs are settled. Or hire someone to represent you at the handover. They often cost about 350 CHF.
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Re: Leaving Switzerland same day we do handover is that too much

We did a handover first thing in the morning and had the Meiterverband with us. It was relatively painless and we signed a agreement about what needed to be paid after a short negotiation done between the Meiterverband rep and the handover agent (big prop mgmt company). We left town a few hours later.

That being said, I agree with Confloozed. If there had been a problem, we might not have been able to solve it quickly. We were fortunate that we could have stayed (we were driving out of the country), but I would not have wanted to gamble with plane tickets that could not be changed.

Better safe than sorry, is my advice... and use the meiterverband and use a cleaning company that guarantees to stay until the job is done for a SET price.
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Unless you have cash to burn, I say stick around until your affairs are settled. Or hire someone to represent you at the handover. They often cost about 350 CHF.
It can take weeks to finalize all the details after the handover. Whether you leave that day or several days later is irrelevant. I have had lots of clients leave the same day. You will give back the keys at the handover and you have no further access to the apartment. The inspection form is signed that day. If repairs need to be carried out, you won't be able to manage that process whether you are here or not.

Using a reputable cleaning company giving a guarantee and attendance at the handover is important. Deal with any broken items or obvious repairs in advance of the handover. Stick to the requirements on the handover checklist and if you are uneasy doing this alone, hire someone from the Mieterverband.

Make sure the landlord has your new contact details and your bank details. Some tenants don't want to give this out but you cannot settle up if they don't have this.
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Re: Leaving Switzerland same day we do handover is that too much

Thanks for everyone's info.

We will be here for the hand over so we can disput anything and were thinking of flying out that afternoon, so we have time to go through all the details and sign off on anything needed.

I will look into having someone from the mieterverband here with us.
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Unless you have cash to burn, I say stick around until your affairs are settled. Or hire someone to represent you at the handover. They often cost about 350 CHF.
Do you know where one can find such representatives? Zürich area, preferably English-speaking.
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Re: Leaving Switzerland same day we do handover is that too much

Generally a refusal to sign the protocol will focus a Swiss persons mind, they do t like uncertainty. So if you don't agree don't sign. They can piss about for a year so there is no hurry to reach any agreement.

Que a Swiss person 'it's illegal not to sign'
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I had this and was drinking a coke at the time and it ended up bubbling through my nose.
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Re: Leaving Switzerland same day we do handover is that too much

When we did the handover, we didn't need any help as the agency charged us 800 CHF extra for the cleaning at the beginning of the lease. It was a very smooth handover. We cleaned the bathroom, kitchen and floor. I also fixed all the holes and paint that was needed. The agent was truly amazed how clean we gave back the apartment and we got our deposit back straight away.

We took a B&B for 2 nights just to make sure everything was settled and in order before we left the country.
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