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Australia vs Switzerland

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Ok I'm playing with the idea of moving to Australia for a number of personal reasons that I don't want to fully disclose here (no not love ). I've been there multiple times, have NOT fallen head over heels with the place, but do enjoy it for a few reasons. I'm not naive and don't believe the grass is greener there and whatnot. I am however really interested in hearing from either Swissies in Australia or Aussies in Switzerland about some of the differences I may or may not be aware of.

First off: hot weather is not a problem, language is not a problem, and work permit is not either. I have an option to transfer there with my company and doubt it would be an issue - my specialization is even on their Skilled Occupation list and I would probably even get a work permit on my own if I were to decline a transfer. I am further not particularly concerned about the financial situation even though I would probably earn somewhat less than here, but that is ok.

For me it's more to understand some of the differences in lifestyle, culture, meeting people etc. I am not 20 anymore and I am not moving there to be with someone, in fact I know only a few people there and consider one a friend, but that is about it. I did get a glimpse of how life could be, but I want to know more.

I would either move to Sydney or just south of Brisbane (the latter is my preference)

Well anyway, maybe I'm lucky and someone wants to share their experience...

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I'm not naive and don't believe the grass is greener there and whatnot.
Good; it's not. Mostly, it's a lot browner, except after bushfires, when it's blacker.

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I would either move to Sydney or just south of Brisbane (the latter is my preference)
Yikes. Why?
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Haha true

As for why there: I have my reasons (not Brisbane itself cause yeah no)
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NSW or QLD? You do realise that the Gold Coast is more plastic than McDonald's cheese, don't you?
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Border QLD/NSW.

I know what you mean re the GC, spent quite a bit of time there (not fully voluntarily)
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I'd chew off my own arm to live in Australia!!
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Border QLD/NSW.
Perfect location -- you can celebrate the New Year twice each year.
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I'd chew off my own arm to live in Australia!!
Make sure you're not going on a manual labour Skilled Occupation visa then!
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I don't even celebrate NY(E) once

If that's the only selling point I may need to think about it much more though

But seriously dude, tell me something I don't know about Australia yet

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Yeah... I'm deciding whether it's worth a certain level of risk...
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Re: Australia vs Switzerland

I prefer Melbourne, they have seasons, the people are like the same as berlin
or zurich, the housing is better (don't like the queenslander style)
There are more jobs, less dangerous animals........
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Re: Australia vs Switzerland

Melbourne's not an option. I like the city, but wouldn't want to live there. Too cold. I don't need the seasons, perfectly fine with living in a subtropical climate (yes, I'm sure about that ).

Job is not necessarily an issue if I go for the company transfer. I've also been with my current company for a long time and have worked with the Australia office, so I kind of know what to expect and don't assume I would switch jobs again any time soon after getting there, if I go at all.

People are the same as in Zurich in what respect?
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Re: Australia vs Switzerland

There are parts of the society who are the same as in berlin or zurich,
who are comitted to protect the environment, human rights, do protests
(some are violent).
The people in brisbane are more laid back and more interested in arts and
culture then the people in melbourne.
Melbourne is for me the food capital of australia and the sports capital as well.
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I've also been with my current company for a long time and have worked with the Australia office, so I kind of know what to expect and don't assume I would switch jobs again any time soon after getting there, if I go at all.
At the risk of stating the obvious - maybe you already know this since you mentioned you've been with your employer for a long time and have worked with your to-be colleagues - I wouldn't underestimate the profound differences in work culture, even within the same team (let alone the same company). I am part of a team that is physically located in a variety of countries, or different offices in the same country, and several of us have moved/move around a lot. At the beginning it really shocked me how different it was. I thought same employer - more or less global culture. Just to mention two of the locations I worked at - sure, I knew that working/living in France would be different than working/living in Israel, but somehow, in my mind, I imagined that the type of work within the same business line, within the team, would pretty much be similar. Oh was I wrong! Completely different work habits, etc. Heck, even in the same country, Silicon Valley vs. Wash DC - galaxies away, and not just due to the geography.

Maybe you've already done this, but I would try to gauge from your prospective colleagues what it means, on a day-to-day basis, to work and live in those particular offices. Even better, from someone who is your peer and/or at a level immediately above yours. What makes them happy or keeps them up at night? Would the former motivate you, and could you live with the latter? etc.

Good luck! Not an easy choice but a potentially great adventure.
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Re: Australia vs Switzerland

I lived in Australia for a few years. I thought it was great and I would recommend it to most. It has something for everyone in my opinion and its a first rate country to live in.


Obviously it is very, very different from Switzerland but life is about experiencing different things, right?

My only two real contributions here are:
  • Sydney and Brisbane are quite different. Sydney being the bustling sprawling cosmopolitan metropolis and Brisbane been somewhat up and coming and a lot quieter. If you favour 'city life' go for Sydney. If you like a bit more laid back, I'd chose Brisbane. Also note that if the packages are equal, your lifestyle would be better in Brisbane as Sydney is quite expensive. I know people that live in both, and all seem to like where they live. I would go for Brissy problem as I didn't warm to Sydney, though it is a fantastic city, no doubt.
  • Depending on your intentions regarding the future, try and arrange this to your advantage. If you just want to go for a couple of years, don't worry to much about the permit. If you want to stay for the long-haul you need to structure a plan as all permits don't guarantee transition to permanent residency. May or may not be an issue for you.

Let me know if you have any other specific questions.
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Just a little warning, if you can't take the banter on here I'd seriously consider whether you can cope in Australia.

They're brutal to their best mates there

(not that I have any idea if the banter on here bothers you)
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Re: Australia vs Switzerland

BokerTov - very fair point, many thanks. I have an opportunity in the next few weeks to work with the OZ office on something, so I will take your advice and ask a few more questions. You may be right - while my company's very global, it doesn't mean the thinking I experience here actually translates into our subsidiaries. There is no immediate urgency in my decision - I have time, which is good as I can spend some time researching and talking to people where I feel it makes sense.


highsandlows - great info, thanks. I'm quite adaptable and could probably feel comfortable in either a laid-back or big-city environment, though given the choice, I have a preference for the former by now.

I am currently just thinking about 2-3 years, but probably not forever. Of course you never know, but I don't want to make that decision at this point - while there's many things I dislike about CH (despite being Swiss) and have travelled a fair bit, I don't know how it is to actually live somewhere else long-term and essentially build a whole new life. That being said, I will have a closer look at the permits and which could potentially qualify for permanent residency - just in case.

How easy would you say is it to make friends compared to CH? Even I think it's sometimes hard in CH and I admit I'm worried that I may end up all on my own


Kreeee - hehe doesn't bother me, for the most part anyway
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How easy would you say is it to make friends compared to CH? Even I think it's sometimes hard in CH and I admit I'm worried that I may end up all on my own

I'm from Melbourne and have lived in Switzerland (and a few other countries) for the past 8 years. I'd have to say making friends and meeting people is one of the easiest things to do there. Of course not every single person you want to talk to is open or friendly, but GENERALLY it's much easier to make friends and meet people there than it is here, in my experience and opinion. I love Switzerland and plan to stay here a while unless my or my hubby's work takes us elsewhere or we decide to live in Australia for a few years to raise our little one, but comparing the two (Zurich and Melbourne cos that's all I can contribute for this purpose!), here would be my main (general!) points on lifestyle pros for Australia:


- people seem more open, friendly and interested to meet another new person (not to say people aren't inclined that way here, just generally not if you're trying to meet new people and make new friends in my experience until I met my Swiss hubby and all his Swiss friends who are super open and friendly!)
- more relaxed lifestyle and culture (think lots of eagerness for a few casual drinks + lunch/dinner in the beautiful weather every day!)
- much easier to meet people. No worries if you just start chatting (about normal topics ) to someone on the next table or at the bus stop or in the supermarket. People don't generally think you're a weirdo and act like you have some awful smell or illness, if your choice of topic or clothes etc are 'standard' :P


As blackbird says, I also prefer Melbourne (for obvious reasons, but also because the people are very laidback but also kinda cool) and agree people are kind of like in Berlin, but I wouldn't actually agree that they're like people in Zurich... I have lots of friends from Zurich and my hubby is from Zurich, but one HUGE difference in my opinion between Switzerland and Australia are the people - it's just much easier to meet people (for friendship or dating) in Australia.


Good luck!
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I second melb's post ^^ -- and just think, she's from Melbourne, imagine if you lived in a city like Sydney that actually does have beautiful weather and super-friendly people!
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Wondering if 22yards is from Sydney with a comment like that If so, Samaire13, avoid Sydney - you don't need people like that around you! :P
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Wondering if 22yards is from Sydney with a comment like that If so, Samaire13, avoid Sydney - you don't need people like that around you! :P
Sydney's perfectly safe, I'm over here in Basel!
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