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Moving to the UK, some questions

Hi,

Have two questions:
I'm moving to London from Geneva on the 1st of June, currently thinking of hiring a small van and driving. Is anyone interested in joining me? i.e. does anyone also want to move things to the UK at around this time?

Secondly, I'm in the process of sorting paper work and I have a bit of tricky question.. I am leaving my apartment on the 1st of June (and taking stuff to London), but I will be returning in June for final uni exams, staying with friends etc. and then over the summer I will be working in Verbier until the 7th of August. Essentially, I need to keep my student health insurance and I would like to keep my phone going for a couple of months, but as I'm giving up my Swiss address and will be getting an attestation de depart etc. I'm just not quite sure what to do. Can I get the attestation de depart and then sort things with my insurer and phone company later??
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

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Old 08.05.2017, 21:42
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Re: Moving to the UK, some questions

Um, how are you going to be able to work here as a non-EU national? Your employer would have to apply for a permit for you and I doubt whatever it is you're going to be doing is so specialised they can't find a Swiss/EU national to do the job.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html

Once you graduate you will no longer have a Swiss permit unless you apply for a job seekers.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...abgaenger.html

While you might get one a) activity of particular scientific or economic importance may be difficult to prove and b) especially as the job is only for a couple of months.

You cannot keep your student health insurance because a) you're no longer a student and b) no longer entitled to a Swiss permit. Phone again is likely to be tied to your residency. No longer a resident, then can't keep the phone.
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Re: Moving to the UK, some questions

Just to be clear, you will be working in Verbier 'on the black' un-insured and without social payments, etc.

Nod judging, and you won't be the first- but there is no way you can keep your phone contract on that basis. You can have your own on pay as you go, I suppose. Same for insurance. I wish you all the very best- but accidents and illness do happen, what then?
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Re: Moving to the UK, some questions

Hi Medea, thanks for your concern (?)
I'm a British citizen, I hold a British passport. My permis de sejour for Switzerland is actually valid until end of September 2018 and I am entitled to work full time over the summer on a student visa. I'm "working" at a music festival - playing in the Verbier Festival Orchestra. They hold auditions around the world and it's very selective, yeah they could probably find a Swiss person, but they didn't.. Anyway, have the passport.
Moving all my stuff to London in June, but I won't actually have an address there until September (putting it in storage over the summer). As I am mainly still in Switzerland until the 8th of August, I guess I could organise my attestation de depart for then? I'm just not sure what to do without an address.. I will not have an address in London nor in Switzerland. Wondering if it's okay to use a friends address for those two months (providing of course they are okay with this)..
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Re: Moving to the UK, some questions

Okay.. have no intention of working the black.. I guess I'm just asking if it's okay to do the paper work for my attestation de depart without an address..
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In which case, why don't you aks advice from the Festival organisers- or even Verbier Commune for adivce.
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Hi Medea, thanks for your concern (?)
I'm a British citizen, I hold a British passport. My permis de sejour for Switzerland is actually valid until end of September 2018 and I am entitled to work full time over the summer on a student visa. I'm "working" at a music festival - playing in the Verbier Festival Orchestra. They hold auditions around the world and it's very selective, yeah they could probably find a Swiss person, but they didn't.. Anyway, have the passport.
Moving all my stuff to London in June, but I won't actually have an address there until September (putting it in storage over the summer). As I am mainly still in Switzerland until the 8th of August, I guess I could organise my attestation de depart for then? I'm just not sure what to do without an address.. I will not have an address in London nor in Switzerland. Wondering if it's okay to use a friends address for those two months (providing of course they are okay with this)..
Again, once you deregister you're no longer a Swiss resident and cannot work here. Your permit becomes invalid on the day you de-register. Nor does your student permit allow you to work as you're no longer a student so again it's invalid.

You would have to re-register at your friend's commune and also they need to check that their landlord/agency is okay with you staying there for that long.
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Again, once you deregister you're no longer a Swiss resident and cannot work here. Your permit becomes invalid on the day you de-register. Nor does your student permit allow you to work as you're no longer a student so again it's invalid.

You would have to re-register at your friend's commune and also they need to check that their landlord/agency is okay with you staying there for that long.
Okay so. Provided my friend's landlord is okay me using the address for two months (which I know is a big ask..) do you think can I simply deregister for the 8th of August when I'm technically leaving Switzerland for good and of course de register the phone and insurance then accordingly?
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In which case, why don't you aks advice from the Festival organisers- or even Verbier Commune for adivce.
Will do. Thank you
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Okay so. Provided my friend's landlord is okay me using the address for two months (which I know is a big ask..) do you think can I simply deregister for the 8th of August when I'm technically leaving Switzerland for good and of course de register the phone and insurance then accordingly?
No, because you have to inform your commune/cantonal migration office of any change of address. If your friend doesn't live in the same commune as you then you have to deregister from your current place and re-register at the new one within 8 days of moving.
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Re: Moving to the UK, some questions

Or- move back to UK for a while, and come back with holiday insurance and a phone with 2 sim cards.
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No, because you have to inform your commune/cantonal migration office of any change of address. If your friend doesn't live in the same commune as you then you have to deregister from your current place and re-register at the new one within 8 days of moving.
And if they do live in the same commune as me?
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Then it might work- go to the Commune and explain the situation - have a letter to show you will be playing at Verbier festival.Be honest- often works.
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Re: Moving to the UK, some questions

Can I just be clear here.. I'm not actually trying to cheat the system. I genuinely don't really know what to do with no address.. Not quite sure how I'm supposed to go about doing all the registering paper work to be able to come back here to Switzerland as you suggest with no address in the UK either..
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Then it might work- go to the Commune and explain the situation - have a letter to show you will be playing at Verbier festival.Be honest- often works.
Okay. thank you
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Re: Moving to the UK, some questions

Yes, you can tell them your change of address. Providing the landlord's happy and your friend of course. And you'll need to put your name on the post box as a new permit will be sent to you - plus the invoice for it needless to say.
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Re: Moving to the UK, some questions

Or you could just avoid de-registering until you're ready to move to Verbier and then de-register and re-register then.
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Festival is only for 2 weeks- and surely does not require every player to have a valid work permit!
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Re: Moving to the UK, some questions

Orchestra prepares for 3 weeks, will in Verbier for total of 5. Still don't actually have an address in Verbier though, as in have accommodation clearly, but won't actually be registered there either. Think I will go and talk to the permit people as suggested..
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It'll be laid out in the Foreign Nationals Act in sections 4.7.12.1 and 4.7.12.2 I think, though it's talking about periods of up to 8 months.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/content/dam...ngen-aug-f.pdf

May depend on whether she told the organisers she had a valid permit when she applied.
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