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Old 06.09.2017, 14:52
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Red light fine 1 year after leaving

Hello everyone,

So, one year after leaving Switzerland for France (August 2016), I thought I had done everything correctly with my taxes, bills I missed, changing addresses etc etc but...

Nope! Just got a Strafbefehl from the Zurich Stadtrichteramt stating that I ran a red light in Zurich in August 2016. The judgement was done in October 2016 according to the letter, so two months after I moved.

This has happened to me before at that same nasty intersection but the first time the letter came from the Police directly, and the fine was CHF 250.

This time, I have to pay the same amount but with an additional CHF 250 in "fees and commissions", summing it up to 500. Now I'm not sure whether those fees are for the judge, the fact that the Police didn't have my correct address anymore, or that it's not the first time.

I'm not contesting the red light of course, but I'd like to know what those "Frais et commissions forfait" are exactly (They even translated half of the letter in French. How nice!)

Any information would be much appreciated.

PS. Apologises if I had to introduce myself in the appropriate section first.
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Old 06.09.2017, 15:52
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Re: Red light fine 1 year after leaving

The fees are because it went to the judge.
It went to the judge because you did not pay on time.
You did not pay on time because the letter did not reach you.
The letter did not reach you because of ... ???

.. you did not inform the StVA about a change of address?
.. you did not inform the commune about the change of address?
.. you had no mail forwarding?
.. two letters got lost in the mail?
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Re: Red light fine 1 year after leaving

I did not use mail forwarding because to be honest it's quite expensive for abroad. A lot of companies and institutions will forward it abroad for free. So I tried to make sure I had everything sorted, which I did until now

The commune know I moved, a lot of stuff including taxes went to my french address.

As for the StVA I'm not sure. I sold two vehicles at the time and they refunded both road taxes, so you may think it's all good. But now that I think about it they probably never knew that I moved to France.

I know I have little choice here but the letter I got is quite vague, which is annoying considering the amount to pay a year after.

So for anyone leaving, use mail forwarding, it's probably best.
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Re: Red light fine 1 year after leaving

wait a second.. I dont get it! clarify to us please ::

how on earth they missed your address (i.e police sent the fine to your swiss address and it was returned to them / ignored / binned or whatever), then when the judge came to a conclusion of whatever number you should pay, then suddenly they KNEW your FORIEGN address?!!

Either:

Police done it on purpose while knowing your foreign address, they still sent it to your local address while they still can see you have deregistered - taking the piss.

Or

Police suddenly became more interested in chasing you abroad and used their power (and tax payer money) to worry about finding your new address abroad


.. either-way, this amuses me!
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I doubt it's the police who already did send the fine in the first place.
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Oh, I thought traffic fines is police job and authority (apart from parking/traffic wardens which is per gemeinde)
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Re: Red light fine 1 year after leaving

I know I don't get it, they somehow got my address -though it's nowhere spelt right so it must have been done in a phone conversation- but why so late.

I saw in another thread that if you jumped two red light within two years, you get a one-month licence suspension.

Aren't suspensions only given by judges? Maybe that's why I'm getting the fees, and it has nothing to do with the delay nor the new address chase.
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wait a second.. I dont get it! clarify to us please ::
Police looks at photo, spots license plate on car, looks up registered holder in StVA database and sent fine to that address. That is more or less an automatic process.

Once deadline passed police forwards the case to judge. Sometime later judge looks at evidence and makes a judgment. Judge crosschecks address with address in other databases (commune, migration office etc.) finally sends fine to correct address.
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Oh, I thought traffic fines is police job and authority (apart from parking/traffic wardens which is per gemeinde)
It's a doubt from my side, I am used to systems where the police registers it all, puts it in the system and another department/office handles it all. Might be different here.
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I saw in another thread that if you jumped two red light within two years, you get a one-month licence suspension.

Aren't suspensions only given by judges? Maybe that's why I'm getting the fees, and it has nothing to do with the delay nor the new address chase.
If you jumped a red light within 2 seconds after turning red AND the was no endangerment AND you pay the fine within the deadline then there is no license suspension.

Additionally, a judge does not give a license suspension. That is the job of the driving licenses authority based on the judges ruling. You may get a letter (with bill) from them as the judge had to decide.
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As for the StVA I'm not sure. I sold two vehicles at the time and they refunded both road taxes, so you may think it's all good. But now that I think about it they probably never knew that I moved to France.
If you did not inform the driving license authority about a change of address than it is your very own fault you did not get the fine and it went to the judge. Sorry.

https://www.eda.admin.ch/countries/j...ng-abroad.html
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Re: Red light fine 1 year after leaving

Ok that's great info there. Thanks.
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