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Re: Why are you leaving?

"....You're appreciated for not being local, in the cities, at least."

You seem to be very self-satisfied. Can you explain what makes you so special that you stand out from the swiss crowd?
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"....You're appreciated for not being local, in the cities, at least."

You seem to be very self-satisfied. Can you explain what makes you so special that you stand out from the swiss crowd?
He's foreign - and not just any foreigner, he's an English-speaking foreigner.

We stand out in a crowd, people want to talk to us. Even the most boring old fart becomes a mini-celebrity. It's great if you're English, even better if you're American or Australian, and fantastic if you're Irish or Scottish.

Nothing self-satisfied about it - it's just a fact of life. Call it an unearned privilege, if you like, but I'd rather experience this than have random strangers gobbing on me and telling me to go back whence I came.
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Old 09.11.2017, 21:37
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OK! After observing EF for sometime, one could come to the conclusion that many leave simply to unload their materialized lifestyles. Simply a week doesn't go by where I read such titles as "Cherished Auto for Sale, must sell, Leaving Switzerland" or "Everything must go, leaving Switzlerland". Basically, its the lifetime opportunity to perform personal liquidation and start a new life of consumption in another culture.
That's not Swiss specific though.

And I do that all the time without leaving the country , I just sold (well, my neighbour did, she's got all these people at hand, who want my stuff) the things I didn't want to put back into the cupboards again after my spring-cleaning last week.
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Curley, may I please borrow your neighbour?
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Old 09.11.2017, 23:26
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Sechseläuten, though
Or Fasnacht (says a Swiss )
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Or Fasnacht (says a Swiss )
could you please explain why you don-t like Fasnacht?

just curious...
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Old 10.11.2017, 02:34
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could you please explain why you don-t like Fasnacht?

just curious...
You don't live in Basel, do you...
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You don't live in Basel, do you...
No, just outside of Luzern - where Fasnacht is bigger, louder, etc.

In my experience many Swiss do not like Fasnacht, and not just because of the noise, alcohol, etc. - while others love it. Typically, the 'liberal' crowd in Luzern is anti-Fasnacht, though I've yet to understand why. Is it because they don't want to participate in the same activities that their less liberal countrymen enjoy?

Is it because Fasnacht has roots in the Church?

To me it seems like a great excuse to let loose, be creative, make costumes and art and such, socialize, etc. in the dark of Winter. It's an event by and for the people, and it's free to all. The attitude from the 'left' seems totally reactionary - the conservatives are out letting loose and having fun, while the liberals sit at home being negative. Kind of the opposite of what I would have expected...

Sure, I'm generalizing here and anyone can have their own reasons for not liking Fasnacht, and of course there's nothing wrong with that.
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could you please explain why you don-t like Fasnacht?

just curious...
There's honestly no deep reason. Above all, I really just do not enjoy the music. The sound of those mini-flutes they have here in Basel freaks me out And the costumes, nah, strange or scary. The drunken BS and masses of people are just another problem on top of problems

I grew up in a non-Fasnacht area of Switzerland nd came to Basel many years ago. Maybe if I had grown up with Fasnacht I'd feel different. Then again, it's really just a matter of taste I guess as many people, non-Baslers or non-Swiss, appear to quite enjoy it.
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But Sechseläuten has nothing to do with Fasnacht. Fasnacht is hardly visible in Zurich. Not surprising because Zurich is the mother of Swiss protestantism.
Sechseläuten is a self-adulation rite of the bigwigs.
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Blocher at the Sechseläuten:

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich...story/19310090
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Re: Why are you leaving?

To those who've never experienced the Basler "Morgestraich", I'd recommend it, at least once. And who knows, you might fall in love with the experience.

On the second Monday in February (I think that's the formula), between 3 a.m. and 4 a.m. (that's right, in the freezing cold in the middle of the night) thousands and thousands of people, dressed up in solid shoes and warm coats, gather on the Basler Marktplatz (= market square) in the middle of town. A few roads and many side alleys feed onto this square. The SBB runs special trains for those outside Basel, to get there in time.

From about 3.45, the lights are switched off, one by one. By 3.55, it is usually pitch dark. Really, even the street lighting is switched off, and the police complete the blackout.

In the meantime, groups of pipers and drummers, dressed in special costumes, gather. At 4 a.m., on the dot, a crier calls out for the event to start, and the band members switch on their lanterns, which are often mounted on their heads, and start playing and walking. It is wonderful, and very, very impressive! This is not a procession, because the bands go in different directions.

Some of the bands drag or push wagons which are decorated, and often there is a witty poem, in the local dialect, related to the theme of the wagon. These are socially critical or satirical. One doesn't have to understand that aspect to find the event spectacular.

The amazing thing is that these drummers and pipers trudge around the town for hours! As the crowd thins, little groups of people follow each band, and the piping and drumming is semi-hypnotic, and it is then that one can suddenly understand how the Pied Piper of Hamlyn might have mesmerised animals and people to follow him into a magic mountain.

Whenever it gets too cold, one can retreat into a local restaurant... they are all open at that time, and eat "flour soup", a thick, warm, salty soup, to revive one's spirits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_of_Basel
http://www.pfyffersyte.ch/index.php/...-bis-2050.html

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No, just outside of Luzern - where Fasnacht is bigger, louder, etc.
You really should visit the world's best Fasnacht in Basel before you make claims like that.

Here is an unbiased, published comparison of the two, which concludes that Basel's Fasnacht is by far the better. It's Wältglass.

This year, the Luzerner Fasnacht even bowed down and paid homage to Basel's Fasnacht.
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You really should visit the world's best Fasnacht in Basel before you make claims like that.

Here is an unbiased, published comparison of the two, which concludes that Basel's Fasnacht is by far the better. It's Wältglass.

This year, the Luzerner Fasnacht even bowed down and paid homage to Basel's Fasnacht.

from the link above:




Even Baslers agree, Lozärn esch besser.

Seriously though I've never been to Basel Fasnacht and hope to go check out Morgestraich this year.



sorry to derail the thread... back on topic:

i'll be leaving CH eventually because:

- the people (Swiss and immigrants alike) are generally not so spontaneous, open, willing to have fun. It's like there's no spark.
- rules, geranienpolizei, etc. Bünzliness
- food and weather are less than ideal
- I need to be near the beach, it makes me happier. Maybe it's the negative ions in the air, or just the sound of the waves and the vastness of the ocean. IDK but i miss it.
- there are other places to experience out there in the world and life is short.
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That's not Swiss specific though.

And I do that all the time without leaving the country , I just sold (well, my neighbour did, she's got all these people at hand, who want my stuff) the things I didn't want to put back into the cupboards again after my spring-cleaning last week.
Was only kidding!
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More information here about coming and going in CH.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/immigrat...ants-/43658968
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Even Baslers agree, Lozärn esch besser.
All that proves is that the newspapers are also better in Basel -- to the extent that even Lucerne trolls read the BZ.
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In my experience many Swiss do not like Fasnacht, and not just because of the noise, alcohol, etc. - while others love it. Typically, the 'liberal' crowd in Luzern is anti-Fasnacht, though I've yet to understand why. Is it because they don't want to participate in the same activities that their less liberal countrymen enjoy?

Is it because Fasnacht has roots in the Church?
Fasnacht humour tends to be a bit on the simple side and in Switzerland often carries conservative views that are hardly bearable for any more modern person. Simple example: In Zug did they like to poke fun at a politician who claims to have been drugged and raped by another one. A topic that can and should be addressed in self critical satire, but maybe less like this:
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Yuck.
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Simple example: In Zug did they like to poke fun at a politician who claims to have been drugged and raped by another one. A topic that can and should be addressed in self critical satire, but maybe less like this:

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Honestly, there are things you do not make fun of.
This is one of them.
And that is independent on which side you believe.

This to me isn't simple humor, but disrespectful, distasteful and primitive. Just another reason not to enjoy Fasnacht. I have not once heard a Schnitzelbangg I found funny (they play some of them on the radio here). I'm not particularly politically correct, but there are lines you do not cross.
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