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Moving out while job contract is ongoing

Hello everyone,

I've lived in Switzerland for a few years as a foreigner and I am planning to leave. I came up with the following plan and I am looking for an opinion if this is doable formally:
- save up a couple weeks of vacation
- arrange the job contract to end on December 31
- take vacation at the end, starting let's say in the second week of December
- travel to my home country for Christmas as I would normally do, but don't come back anymore.

The reasons it would make sense to do are that I would save a trip (as I am anyway going home for Christmas) and I want to avoid working in two different countries in one fiscal year. If I can avoid that, this would simplify the tax paperwork tremendously I assume. I am on Quellensteuer tax (is it called withholding?) so right now I do zero tax paperwork (I live in ZH and I don't speak German).

The main issue I see is that I would need to deregister (cancel my Meldung) and do all the AHV paperwork before my job contract runs out, or do it remotely next year. I am also not sure if I am required to be present at my work place on the day my contract ends, or is it OK to close all the things a couple weeks early. Possibly there is a whole bunch of other issues which I did not think about. Do you think this makes sense at all?
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Old 29.03.2019, 13:26
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Re: Moving out while job contract is ongoing

Have a talk with your employer as for paying our any remaining free days, be doing so you get the same amount of money but your contract can end earlier so you can do it all in the proper way while still being here.
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Have a talk with your employer as for paying our any remaining free days, be doing so you get the same amount of money but your contract can end earlier so you can do it all in the proper way while still being here.
Why to do that?
I don't see any reason why OP could not do it as she/he has outlined.
Check with the apartment rental agency if you can terminate the contract with 6 of Dec.
It's still 8 months from now, so they should be able to manage it... But not sure.
If not, then I guess end of Nov or end of Dec is still possible.
End of Nov might be cheaper for you, as you'd save one month of rent, but you'll need to stay somewhere else from 1 Dec till 6 Dec. (that might have some extra costs)
End of Dec would be more expensive, but in this case still they have to be willing to take back the apartment on 6 Dec. (And you basically paid 3 weeks of rental cost for nothing in this case).

You need to go to the Gemeinde on 6 December to de-register, giving the effective date of de-registration of 31 Dec.
You'll need the paper (confirmation letter of de-registration) you get there to cancel all of your contracts: health insurance, phone subscription, car insurance, bank account, whatsoever.
But all of these you can do online. (And still "properly".)
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I am also not sure if I am required to be present at my work place on the day my contract ends, or is it OK to close all the things a couple weeks early.
Many people (including myself) sometimes are sent to garden leave at the end of their employment contract, it means the last day being present at the workplace is e.g. 31 May, but the actual last day of the employment contract is 3 months later (31 Aug in this case). This 3 months of period is called garden leave. There is absolutely no contact between the employee and employer during this period, except of the salary payment and the sending of payslips by post each month. So definitely no, you are not required to be present at your work place on the day your contract ends...

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Possibly there is a whole bunch of other issues which I did not think about. Do you think this makes sense at all?
The only matter you need to take care is to properly cancel all of your contracts. But as I said, these all can be done remotely, on-line.
Don't worry, the outstanding payment slips will follow you in your new country...
(Assuming you provide your new address to the rental agency as well as the Gemeinde, be prepared for this as they'll ask for it.)
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Re: Moving out while job contract is ongoing

Thanks for your answers! So this idea is not that crazy after all. There will be no problem with the apartment rental because I only sublease a room in a shared flat. This will go smoothly. I am more worried about the formal things involving the city office etc.
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Nothing to worry about that.

You can de-register 30 days before the actual departure date if you leave CH.

https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/prd/de/...en/wegzug.html

They'll ask for your new address, and don't forget to scan the document you get as you'll need to attach that to the cancellation notes of your different contracts.
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...Check with the apartment rental agency if you can terminate the contract with 6 of Dec.
It's still 8 months from now, so they should be able to manage it... But not sure.
If not, then I guess end of Nov or end of Dec is still possible...
Seems reasonable, if the agency allows contract termination officially 31 Dec but handover earlier in the month. Of course OP could end up paying the full rent for Dec but it might be easier than trying to handover 30 Nov and figure out where to stay until the time to leave.
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Thanks for your answers! So this idea is not that crazy after all. There will be no problem with the apartment rental because I only sublease a room in a shared flat. This will go smoothly. I am more worried about the formal things involving the city office etc.
Make sure your assumptions are correct. Sublease is meaningless in this respect.

If your room is unfurnished you still have 3 months notice (assuming standard conditions), and 31 December is not an official cancel date. If it is furnished you're still bound to cancel per a month's end, without 31 December. So unless your co-renters agree freely you'd need to cancel per 30 November or 31 January, assuming your contract does indeed provide these options, otherwise it's 30 September or 31 March.
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Re: Moving out while job contract is ongoing

Hi c4r0,

I just did something similar (just the job part, I'll stay in Zurich).

I gave my notice in December; notice period was 3 months and contract stated that last working day must be the last day of the month -> Mar 31st (today). Then we calculated all the vacation left and we started counting backwards, so that I actually left on Mar 15th. I see no issue here as long as you read your contract and you do the math together with your employer. And being 100% fiscal year in the same country is a great optimization - just make sure your employer will pay everything is left with the December salary.

Leaving the house can be a little more complicated as others explained - start looking for new tenants with good notice, e.g. Aug or Sep. If you leave in December you will get your deposit back in February or March, but I suppose that will not qualify as "income".

You paid social insurance with your Quellensteuer, and depending on the destination country you might have the right to claim the money back; see https://www.bsv.admin.ch/bsv/en/home...cherte/bv.html as a starting point, then search this forum or ask again.
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