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Where would you move?

I'm not sure where to go after Switzerland. I need to have an easy commute back to the Lausanne area so some options are just out of the question. Going back to the UK it seems is one of the most expensive options.

So I'm curious where other people would go? Would you go for easy? Sunshine?
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Re: Where would you move?

A bit hard to answer that without knowing more:
  1. Do you need to work there, or just live there?
  2. How often do you need to return?
  3. How far/long are you willing to travel?
  4. How much is too much for getting back and forth?

The UK has cheap direct flights to Geneva which are often cheaper than a train trip from France. so if you book return trips well in advance, it can be quite affordable. If you wish to drive, south-eastern France/North-Western Italy is the obvious answer.
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A bit hard to answer that without knowing more:
  1. Do you need to work there, or just live there?
  2. How often do you need to return?
  3. How far/long are you willing to travel?
  4. How much is too much for getting back and forth?

The UK has cheap direct flights to Geneva which are often cheaper than a train trip from France. so if you book return trips well in advance, it can be quite affordable. If you wish to drive, south-eastern France/North-Western Italy is the obvious answer.
I had to sell the car so driving is not an option at the moment.

Every 2 weeks to return.

See I hardly see cheap flights to London, sometimes. And yes it can be cheaper for the flight itself but when you add the train from geneva it can end up cheaper to take the train.

Well it's been hard to get a normal job after my divorce so right now it's more to live and keep trying to have my own business. I'm still going to go through court for the money due to me from my ex but not sure how long that will take.

See how it's a bit of a stressful mess
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Re: Where would you move?

I know well how stressful divorce can be!

So what about somewhere in France on the fringes of Geneva/Switzerland like Saint Genis Pouilly which has a tram into Geneva and/or stay in Switzerland but move somewhere cheaper? When you get out of the large cities rents can go down considerably and yet the public transport is still excellent.

If you have the permit and have paid into the social security, at least you likely can keep the permit. If you move to another country where you don't have a residence permit (especially if you are here on a UK passport which seem hell bent on leaving the EU) it can be more difficult to re-establish yourself.

You could also stay put (if that is an option) and offer rooms in your place on AirBnB to subsidise the rent.
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I know well how stressful divorce can be!

So what about somewhere in France on the fringes of Geneva/Switzerland like Saint Genis Pouilly which has a tram into Geneva and/or stay in Switzerland but move somewhere cheaper? When you get out of the large cities rents can go down considerably and yet the public transport is still excellent.

If you have the permit and have paid into the social security, at least you likely can keep the permit. If you move to another country where you don't have a residence permit (especially if you are here on a UK passport which seem hell bent on leaving the EU) it can be more difficult to re-establish yourself.

You could also stay put (if that is an option) and offer rooms in your place on AirBnB to subsidise the rent.
4 years, no permit. Told I should go back to the UK and I could appeal the denial but not sure how much time that buys. Hard to re-rent here without the proper papers and then how do I register at a local commune with a permit rejection?

my only family is my kids, so I've had this huge "wtf do I do" problem and curious what places spark interest for others, maybe I get inspired
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Re: Where would you move?

How old are the kids? They're staying in CH? Presumably then you need to come back to visit the kids?
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How old are the kids? They're staying in CH? Presumably then you need to come back to visit the kids?
11 and 14 soon

Yep they are staying and from what I gather I can't get it so the youngest can come to see me if I leave, the dad refuses. the oldest I haven't seen in 7 months
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11 and 14 soon

Yep they are staying and from what I gather I can't get it so the youngest can come to see me if I leave, the dad refuses. the oldest I haven't seen in 7 months
I dont think you need recommendations on which country to move to, you need a lawyer. One who knows both immigration law as well as family law...
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Re: Where would you move?

I don't think you should leave CH. The kids will seek you out sooner or later, easier to do if Mom stays in the same country.
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I dont think you need recommendations on which country to move to, you need a lawyer. One who knows both immigration law as well as family law...
I have a pretty hefty legal bill.

I think people think a little higher of the judicial system here than they should.

I could appeal the denial, but I do not believe it will result in a positive outcome. I would have had a permit if my ex had paid the pension, but he didn't feel like it, trust me the permit office knows the whole saga and I've been refused any help.
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Re: Where would you move?

Yikes!

So - in terms of places that inspire me without consideration of a residence permit:
- Alps (Swiss, French, Italian, Austrian)
- Oxford, Bath, Edinborough (if you like med sized cities)
- Singapore (great weather and food!) - bit far for you!
- Constance (the lake bit, not the shoppers part - but on edge of Switzerland)
- Bristol - lively community there!
- Aix en Provence - but of a trek by train
- Milan area is supposed to be nice and well connected
- Around Lake Maggiore is wam, sunny and beautiful and yet only busy in the summer...so finding long term accommodation might be easy and formalities might be overlooked...and yet there are trains that connect with Switzerland.

Any inspiration with these?
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So what about somewhere in France on the fringes of Geneva/Switzerland like Saint Genis Pouilly which has a tram into Geneva ...
It doesn't, not yet (and although work was meant to start this year, I've not seen any sign of it happening). There is a bus to CERN to catch the tram.

I think Ferney would be a better bolt-hole in France if that's what you choose.
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Yikes!

So - in terms of places that inspire me without consideration of a residence permit:
- Alps (Swiss, French, Italian, Austrian)
- Oxford, Bath, Edinborough (if you like med sized cities)
- Singapore (great weather and food!) - bit far for you!
- Constance (the lake bit, not the shoppers part - but on edge of Switzerland)
- Bristol - lively community there!
- Aix en Provence - but of a trek by train
- Milan area is supposed to be nice and well connected
- Around Lake Maggiore is wam, sunny and beautiful and yet only busy in the summer...so finding long term accommodation might be easy and formalities might be overlooked...and yet there are trains that connect with Switzerland.

Any inspiration with these?
I lived in a few of these.

I know nothing about Italy I admit, there is a direct train from Milan to lausanne I know though but besides that nothing, not sure the cost of living etc.

Asia is too far and not really even an interest at the moment.
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I have a pretty hefty legal bill.

I think people think a little higher of the judicial system here than they should.

I could appeal the denial, but I do not believe it will result in a positive outcome. I would have had a permit if my ex had paid the pension, but he didn't feel like it, trust me the permit office knows the whole saga and I've been refused any help.
Well, I am truly sorry for the mess you are in, but if I understand you right:
- no car
- no job
- even budget flights are too expensive
I guess it boils down to how much budget you have to live on... Flixbus seems to have some decent and cheap connections to Geneve… so: South of France but not the touristic bits perhaps? Say Nimes?
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Well, I am truly sorry for the mess you are in, but if I understand you right:
- no car
- no job
- even budget flights are too expensive
I guess it boils down to how much budget you have to live on... Flixbus seems to have some decent and cheap connections to Geneve… so: South of France but not the touristic bits perhaps? Say Nimes?
I have a court order for a decent sum per month, he just doesn't feel like paying it and thus far I haven't had a result having in enforced.

I lived in Provence, weather is nice but besides tourism there isn't a lot there to do.

Paris is an option, although the TGV is not always cheap. Cost of living is less and easy to do small jobs and can try to get my site back on google. I have struggled to find a flat I can rent without a job contract. So considering other options, because at some point something must just work out? I hope
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I have a court order for a decent sum per month, he just doesn't feel like paying it and thus far I haven't had a result having in enforced.

I lived in Provence, weather is nice but besides tourism there isn't a lot there to do.

Paris is an option, although the TGV is not always cheap. Cost of living is less and easy to do small jobs and can try to get my site back on google. I have struggled to find a flat I can rent without a job contract. So considering other options, because at some point something must just work out? I hope
i believe there is a mechanism where you can get the money directly from the authorities and they would then recover from the other party.

if switzerland is too expensive, i would look for neighbouring countries with the right transport links.

i would avoid the UK for now until the brexit mess is cleared up as you wouldn't want to add travel problems to the mix.
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i believe there is a mechanism where you can get the money directly from the authorities and they would then recover from the other party.

if switzerland is too expensive, i would look for neighbouring countries with the right transport links.

i would avoid the UK for now until the brexit mess is cleared up as you wouldn't want to add travel problems to the mix.
I have tried every avenue, the permit office took months and the reply was to withhold any sort of aid in my case.

I have a court proceeding pending but given how long the others have taken, it could be years and still I haven't seen any results from other court orders. They haven't been worth the paper they are written out without enforcement.

The UK prices have been quite a shock to me. Not sure if anything is easier besides paperwork.
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Well it's been hard to get a normal job after my divorce so right now it's more to live and keep trying to have my own business.
Well you had better make you your mind PDQ, because come the end of October your choices may well be the UK or remain in Switzerland if you can.
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Well you had better make you your mind PDQ, because come the end of October your choices may well be the UK or remain in Switzerland if you can.
yep, I am aware of that one and another push to get it over with besides the immense stress of having it looming
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Re: Where would you move?

If my family situation were to ever collapse, I like the proximity of eastern France. I would buy an old canal barge or something to live in, work remotely while fixing it up to my satisfaction and then cruise north and south with the seasons to keep the temperatures at a comfortable 20C or so.
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