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Issue with immigration office.

Hello,

I have a serious problem with the immigration office and don't know where to complain about them! Is there any office in the federal government where I can do that?

The story is: I have notified the office that I will leave the country by October 30. The office never gave me a permit for this period. So, now I have no travel documents. Therefore, I went and asked them for a visa to travel next week and come back to Switzerland on October 29. So, that I can leave the country on the 30th. They refuse to give me the visa saying since you have announced your departure we will not issue a visa.

What kind of logic is that? So, now that I am going to leave the country in two weeks, I don't have the right to travel until I leave the country? This is ridiculous and I would like to speak to someone in the government to see why these people are treating us like this!

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Re: Issue with immigration office.

Um...

You are leaving CH on the 30th, presumably have residence permit til then... and your issue is... what, exactly?
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Hello,

I have a serious problem with the immigration office and don't know where to complain about them! Is there any office in the federal government where I can do that?

The story is: I have notified the office that I will leave the country by October 30. The office never gave me a permit for this period. So, now I have no travel documents. Therefore, I went and asked them for a visa to travel next week and come back to Switzerland on October 29. So, that I can leave the country on the 30th. They refuse to give me the visa saying since you have announced your departure we will not issue a visa.

What kind of logic is that? So, now that I am going to leave the country in two weeks, I don't have the right to travel until I leave the country? This is ridiculous and I would like to speak to someone in the government to see why these people are treating us like this!

Thanks,
Moh.

Not sure if I understand this.


You want to leave the country but before you leave you want to travel.


You say you have not received a permit. Did you get a piece of paper saying that your permit is being processed?

Any reason why you did not get a permit?
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Re: Issue with immigration office.

You might be better off trying to get an entry visa from the Netherlands (or talk to Dutch authorities about your situation). If your permit here already expired/will expire and you announced you'll be leaving soon than Switzerland will not provide you a permit/visa since your only purpose is to use it to travel to and enter the Netherlands.
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You might be better off trying to get an entry visa from the Netherlands (or talk to Dutch authorities about your situation). If your permit here already expired/will expire and you announced you'll be leaving soon than Switzerland will not provide you a permit/visa since your only purpose is to use it to travel to and enter the Netherlands.
And how did the Netherlands come into this? OP is from Iran, profile says.
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Re: Issue with immigration office.

Am I reading it correctly to infer that you currently have no permit at all?

If so I can't see how you could possibly expect to be allowed back into the country if you leave it. As it is, you're living here on borrowed time, so be thankful they're letting you stay until the end of the month.
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And how did the Netherlands come into this? OP is from Iran, profile says.

https://www.englishforum.ch/leaving-...ml#post3107470
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Am I reading it correctly to infer that you currently have no permit at all?

If so I can't see how you could possibly expect to be allowed back into the country if you leave it. As it is, you're living here on borrowed time, so be thankful they're letting you stay until the end of the month.
I think you did not read it correctly.

I read it that OP told authorities he will be leaving end of this month. The renewal of permission was probably due sometime between the announcement and end of this month. They simply did not renew the permit (which is wrong, they should have renewed it until end of October).
The "mistake" OP made was to accounce the departer before actually leaving. That's what you get, when you want to do things properly - authorities don't have to be surprised if people will give up those intentions.

And then again, I could have read it all wrong too .....
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Um...

You are leaving CH on the 30th, presumably have residence permit til then... and your issue is... what, exactly?
This is something unique with Ticino. They take away your current permit 14 days before you leave the country!!
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Not sure if I understand this.


You want to leave the country but before you leave you want to travel.


You say you have not received a permit. Did you get a piece of paper saying that your permit is being processed?

Any reason why you did not get a permit?
Yes I have the letter. I did not receive the permit because the average permit renewal period here in Ticino is very high (2-3 months). Even if I had received my permit, I must return it to them. The rule in Ticino says we have to return our permits 14 days before we leave the country!
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You might be better off trying to get an entry visa from the Netherlands (or talk to Dutch authorities about your situation). If your permit here already expired/will expire and you announced you'll be leaving soon than Switzerland will not provide you a permit/visa since your only purpose is to use it to travel to and enter the Netherlands.
I tried this option but the Dutch told me since you are already living in the Schengen area and there is no gap between your current status and the next one we assume that you can freely travel here and therefore we cannot issue a visa.
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This is something unique with Ticino. They take away your current permit 14 days before you leave the country!!
Why would that matter?

A permit is not a travel document.

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This is something unique with Ticino. They take away your current permit 14 days before you leave the country!!
Ok but you'll be in the system as having a permit (albeit not physically) until the 30th.
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I tried this option but the Dutch told me since you are already living in the Schengen area and there is no gap between your current status and the next one we assume that you can freely travel here and therefore we cannot issue a visa.
So actually you have no problem. You just think you have one.
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Why would that matter?

A permit is not a travel document.

Tom
It is - for a Non EU who wishes to visit other Schengen countries.
One needs both Passport and permit
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Drive? Unlikely to be checked ... if you are you have passport and letter that says you have a permit in process. Or call immigration at the airports and ask if the letter will be accepted in lieu of permit?
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It is - for a Non EU who wishes to visit other Schengen countries.
One needs both Passport and permit
A permit is not a travel document.

A travel document like a passport is to move somewhere, a permit is to stay somewhere.
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A permit is not a travel document.

A travel document like a passport is to move somewhere, a permit is to stay somewhere.
A Swiss residence permit allows a non-EU person to travel freely with-in the Schengen area (alongside their passport).
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A Swiss residence permit allows a non-EU person to travel freely with-in the Schengen area (alongside their passport).
It allows to stay in the Schengen area, and due to it being valid in all Schengen countries there is no need to ask for another permit when going to another Schengen country. The passport however is the travel document and the official ID.
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I think you did not read it correctly.

I read it that OP told authorities he will be leaving end of this month. The renewal of permission was probably due sometime between the announcement and end of this month. They simply did not renew the permit (which is wrong, they should have renewed it until end of October).
The "mistake" OP made was to accounce the departer before actually leaving. That's what you get, when you want to do things properly - authorities don't have to be surprised if people will give up those intentions.

And then again, I could have read it all wrong too .....
Haha yes I should have not announced but I was kind of forced to do it by my employer. And I did not have the slightest idea that this would happen to me afterwards.
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