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Thanks everybody for your replies and your suggestions .

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Trying to think out of the box (pun intended), what about looking at a Danish shipping company that works for a Danish manufacturing company from that area who ships things to CH. They might have an empty truck going back and would appreciate some €€ to cover the return costs. So rather than looking at a proper "moving company", you look at a transportation company from the area. Use your flexibility on timing to your advantage.

You would probably have to prepare all of the items on plastic wrapped pallets though.
I also got told to look at something like Schöni transport.
I was also thinking that some logistic company could "drop" a container (or 2) here in the parking lot, I fill it in, they bring it to rail/road and do the trip. Probably by rail it would be much cheaper (Lörrach - Hamburg is anyways possible, maybe even more direct for rail cargo ?).

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Thinking out of the box, how about reducing the amount of stuff that you need to move, to absolute minimum? (Don't entirely agree with Marie Kondo's obsessive and expensive minimalism but she is onto something)

These guys can rent you just a truck with a driver, too. http://www.autotrans-global.cz/11128...dni-stehovani/ They operate internationally but based in CZ.
Somehow I agree and I would also like to get rid of some libraries, CD storage "towers", bookshelves, etc. But I don't want to give it out for free. It's on tutti.ch (as well as here I believe) but it's not selling. People are ******** really, expecting everything for free. It's a huge amount of time to follow up and lots of ******** offering less than half the asked price. I don't have the energy to deal with that ****. I would like to get rid of 50% of my furniture though.

If I lose it (and soon will) I just take the hammer, smash everything, pay 50 CHF at the trash site for the wood stuff and screw it all. Already planning on trashing some quite old 160cm x 200cm x 25cm mattress.

Do you have an idea of how much these czech guys cost? The website is only in Czech (yeah, there is Google translate, but still ).

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From experience, my recommendation would be not to move to Denmark at all.
Well you are listed as a "German" national here on the forum. I'm not sure if you are a Man or a Woman, but to be honest being a Swiss Men it's total slavery:
- You are obliged to do the army
- If not, you have to pay 3% of your salary every year until 30 (that's 11 or 12 years, not sure) - Minimum 400 CHF I think. So far I think I comulated something like 20'000 CHF
- If like me you aren't fit for the army, you could have the unlucky chance of being thrown in Zivilshutz (and still have to pay the above mentioned tax !)
- With this Corona ****, they decided in the past (and probably will soon again) to deply army and Zivilshutz
- They don't give a **** that I have a dog, I live alone, my health is not good, I don't speak German very well, ... They want that I drop everything to come and serve this **** corrupted country
- Medical care must be the most corrupted system (after USA) on this planet: after abuse of antibiotics of doctors that totally killed my ability to digest most foods, you know what this piece of **** of doctor told me? That it's all in my head and sent to a psychiatrist. Already saw this story, doctors ruining my health and failing to take responsability for their actions. And yeah, oh course you still have to pay for their **** treatment that will **** you up even more.
- I don't have any relatives here anymore, not in Aargau anyway, and I have no intention of going back to Ticino where my father lives. That canton has clearly shown to be ruled by despots during this Corona pandemic
- All my other relatives (mother, uncle, cousins, ...) live in Denmark
- Now with this Corona situation, it makes even less sense to stay here: home office possible from anywhere and no social contact with colleagues anymore (yes sometimes someone is there, but like ... I don't even have a desk anymore in the office ). Doesn't really make you feel welcome in there anyway, if you have to schedule the shared desk with 2-3 other people.
- Only problem I see so far with Denmark is that home office seems to be much less widespread (or accepted) than here. Somewhat strange since there Internet is on average much faster. One of the few requirements for DK is >100m2 and Fiber Optic internet. That cannot be negotiated (I had to live with <5 MBps for 3 years here in Swirzerland before Fiber Optic came - never again).

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It is such an overrated country in terms of quality of life, and Copenhagen must be the most overrated city in the world. As expensive as Switzerland in many ways, yet quality and service of pretty much everything sucks. The short summers can be nice, but for most of the year it is a grey, dull and boring place.

We moved back to Switzerland, and never regretted it for one second.
I don't want to go to Copenhagen, crazy expensive.
I'm more of a countryside guy.

Somehow I feel that the life is (a bit) more relaxed there. Medical care should be better too (or at least you don't have to pay for Doctors and Exams/Laboratory Analysis, you only pay the Drugs basically).

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The thing is, very few people do. But OP might have reasons, career, roots, heart..

I don't stick out there the way I look plus Scandinavia has this poetic and nostalgic charm for me, hipster hygge if you wish...but I never lived there, thanks for sharing, it's valuable. If I could, I'd go to sauna everyday and eat raw fish for breakfast, but that's as close as I get to North. And knitting sweaters.
So far career is not there yet, but due to this Aargau rules (cancel 3-6 months in advance your rent - for me it's 4 months, and you can only cancel 3 times each year) I had to cancel this apartment before finding a new one or even a job. I will get out end of Marche 2021 at the latest (unless I or the landlord finds somebody before that date). Who will hire me 6 months in advance? Everybody expect you to be "flexible" and be their slave and move there, without any money, in a week notice. Well screw that .

Heart and roots are definitively in Denmark. For sure they never were in Switzerland after my parents started divorcing and the house where I was grown up was sold.

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I think OP has his reasons for uprooting to Jutland, I trust him. Swiss abroad, btw, adapt and adjust very well it always seemed to me. As opposed to a fair bit of expat whining we get here.
Well I'd like it to sound as glamorous as you make it seem, but it's more of a resigned fate, kind of "I go back to the place where I can see myself die" kind of thing.

I don't wan't to sound overly depressed, but somehow I lost hope in (most) people. Friends calling you only when they need you, Girlfriends wanting expensive dates, jobs without any fulfillment at all, .... I don't really want that ****.

If I can have some peace of mind in a house in the middle of nowhere with my dog, without the **** government causing me panick and anger attacks every 5 seconds, then so be it. I don't really have many more expectations on the social side, maybe I'm just destined to live with dogs until my end . In these last months I started looking at my synthoms and ADHD was quite high in the list (along with all my Digestive issues). But doctors know much better, right, in 5 seconds they told me that maybe it's not that. Usual speed examinations with wrong conclusions ...

As for career somehow I rather see myself building my own enterprise. Not interested in being treated as a slave for a "job" and then thrown out like a piece of ****, all for just paying taxes and, during unemployement, being treated a second time like a piece of **** being told that you have to accept whatever up to 2 hours away otherwise they cut your unemployment benefits? Blackmailing after blackmailing ... I'm sick and tired of people playing around with my life.

Important: the rant is not against any of you. I appreciated your suggestions. My beef is with Doctors/Physician as well as the Government .
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Re: Moving to Denmark: anybody moving the other way :) ?

Keep writing here. Let us know how it goes..and ton of luck with the move!!!

I'd also get an electric guitar, not just a dog. Nothing in life is glamorous, but only you know how to make yourself happy.

Giving things for free will save you a lot of moving cost. Just load ton on a truck for old folks homes/foyers for kids with no home, etc.

Digestion - you could try kefir, it is really good for post antibiotics microbiome restitution.
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Keep writing here. Let us know how it goes..and ton of luck with the move!!!

I'd also get an electric guitar, not just a dog. Nothing in life is glamorous, but only you know how to make yourself happy.

Giving things for free will save you a lot of moving cost. Just load ton on a truck for old folks homes/foyers for kids with no home, etc.
Thanks for your support


I'm not sure how much it would actually save. Define "a lot". I asked my previous moving company how much I would save if I disassemble (and reassemble) all the furniture myself: they told me approx. 5%. It doesn't sound like a lot (well it's approx 1000 CHF over the 20'000 CHF so it's better than nothing but yeah, it's not like 20% or so ).

Even without considering the time to load/unload, just the distance would create a huge cost. The only difference then being if 1 or 2 trucks (and truck drivers) are needed. Anyway the moving company where I asked for an offer wants to send 3 guys, whether is 1 truck driver + 2 helpers or 2 truck drivers (2 trucks) + 1 helper. You're basically looking at 40-50 hours of driving (and maybe 5 hours to load and 5 hours to unload if we're lucky). Just the number of hours for the actual drive makes like 80% of the cost. Of course the "problem" being that I pay huge money because they will be empty on the way back to Switzerland.

They offer the truck with driver at 110 CHF / hour and the helper at 50 CHF / hour.

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Digestion - you could try kefir, it is really good for post antibiotics microbiome restitution.
I totally missed this part when I first read your reply :S.

Thanks for the suggestion. I'm currently plant based (not fully vegan since I still have some fish oil and these probiotics, but otherwise yeah). A colleague reccomended this Burgerstein BIOTICS-G (not vegan though). I also heard that all of these probiotics are just expensive pills with little use (since the bacteria die on the shelf anyway). The second stool tests came back a week ago and all bacterias seem to have been wiped out ...

To be honest it's not looking as if the probiotics are working. At the same time I'm quite scared. If I eat the wrong stuff (coconut oil and lots of olive oil mainly), it's like somebody stabbed me in the stomach. Some people can get bedridden for a week when eating the wrong thing, thankfully for me as bad as it is, it's not on that level (yet). But I struggle to imagine a relocation with so little energy. I know I can use the head and put all boxes on "platform with wheels", but that doesn't take care of moving the furniture piece by piece.

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You gotta do this with a buddy I think. A buddy with a truck. The minute you do stuff through services here which entails human labor it accumulates huge cost. You got time, you sound young, friends are not so hard to find here. It sounds easier to rent a container, reduce to absolute mininum and mail it. I got friends who got overpriced junk on Annibis for years. Life is not about paying overpriced rent or truck space for junk...Toss all and move with your dog. Digitalize all memories.
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You gotta do this with a buddy I think. A buddy with a truck. The minute you do stuff through services here which entails human labor it accumulates huge cost. You got time, you sound young, friends are not so hard to find here. It sounds easier to rent a container, reduce to absolute mininum and mail it. I got friends who got overpriced junk on Annibis for years. Life is not about paying overpriced rent or truck space for junk...Toss all and move with your dog. Digitalize all memories.
Somehow you make it sound easy to just drop everything ...
I mean it's not like I have any special attachment to my dinner table or TV furniture (heck I could even get rid of this old TV I don't use since I moved here !), but somehow I still need a buy these stuffs once I get to Denmark.

Or you would rather sell a 120 € table for 20 CHF (if people would pay for it !)?

My desks somehow I would like to keep, but those are quite compressed once disassembled. Mostly a weight problem.

For the closets somehow it's a bit of a sentimental attachment and the fact that they were very expensive to buy, so quite a shame to just get rid of them. The problem being however that you need a 2m50+ apartment/house otherwise these suckers don't fit .


EDIT: the truck buddy I probably would have, he's a trustworthy colleague and friend. The problem is however with this Corona situation. If the border rules change, maybe I cannot count on his support anymore. And since he has family/wife/kids, it's also not so easy to "just" go away for a few days, especially if wife has to go to work and moving needs to happen during the week & working hours (because of **** cross border rules, so that the "Zoll" is open). Plus most people won't be willing to take the risk to get stuck in another country or having to give up their freedom for 2 weeks.

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I'm not sure how much it would actually save. Define "a lot". I asked my previous moving company how much I would save if I disassemble (and reassemble) all the furniture myself: they told me approx. 5%. It doesn't sound like a lot (well it's approx 1000 CHF over the 20'000 CHF so it's better than nothing but yeah, it's not like 20% or so ).

Even without considering the time to load/unload, just the distance would create a huge cost. The only difference then being if 1 or 2 trucks (and truck drivers) are needed. Anyway the moving company where I asked for an offer wants to send 3 guys, whether is 1 truck driver + 2 helpers or 2 truck drivers (2 trucks) + 1 helper. You're basically looking at 40-50 hours of driving (and maybe 5 hours to load and 5 hours to unload if we're lucky). Just the number of hours for the actual drive makes like 80% of the cost. Of course the "problem" being that I pay huge money because they will be empty on the way back to Switzerland.

They offer the truck with driver at 110 CHF / hour and the helper at 50 CHF / hour.


I totally missed this part when I first read your reply :S.

Thanks for the suggestion. I'm currently plant based (not fully vegan since I still have some fish oil and these probiotics, but otherwise yeah). A colleague reccomended this Burgerstein BIOTICS-G (not vegan though). I also heard that all of these probiotics are just expensive pills with little use (since the bacteria die on the shelf anyway). The second stool tests came back a week ago and all bacterias seem to have been wiped out ...

To be honest it's not looking as if the probiotics are working. At the same time I'm quite scared. If I eat the wrong stuff (coconut oil and lots of olive oil mainly), it's like somebody stabbed me in the stomach. Some people can get bedridden for a week when eating the wrong thing, thankfully for me as bad as it is, it's not on that level (yet). But I struggle to imagine a relocation with so little energy. I know I can use the head and put all boxes on "platform with wheels", but that doesn't take care of moving the furniture piece by piece.
Try live stuff, kefir you buy in Coop or Migros, it fixes a lot of things. The pills like anything else are engineered for an average stomach. Live liquid kefir you can dose by tiny spoon, for a week, then 2..If you eat only plants, unless they are fermented, A. celulose is tough work for digestion and B. you will not bring new bacteria, you gotta introduce it 1st.

The worst period for my microbiome and serious indigestion I got after cca a year of only plant food. It is personal and maybe you should see a gastroent. doctor. Don't be mad at other doctors prescribing ATBs, why even look back. Look forward. And speak Danish!
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As someone with celiac disease and a lot of relatives who spent a long time being very sick before finally being diagnosed ... have you been tested for celiac ? It’s something that often flies under the radar especially in Switzerland. Just a thought, sorry for all you’ve been through and hopefully Denmark is just what you need.

It is definitely hard to sell furniture and things especially at the moment. The second hand market is a bit flooded with average furniture for free or extremely cheap. If you do want to get rid of stuff try a local “free stuff” Facebook group. Where I live in five or ten minutes you have three people in line waiting to get it.
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Try live stuff, kefir you buy in Coop or Migros, it fixes a lot of things. The pills like anything else are engineered for an average stomach. Live liquid kefir you can dose by tiny spoon, for a week, then 2..If you eat only plants, unless they are fermented, A. celulose is tough work for digestion and B. you will not bring new bacteria, you gotta introduce it 1st.
As I said I'm quite scared actually. Because it seems quite bad and in some cases, reintroducing these bacterias (only a few straings, e.g. by eating sauercraut) can flare up quite some synthoms. So far I've been having 24h of brain fog and growling (beans/peas/legumes/white potatoes a bit) and sensation of being stabbed in the gut/stomach (MCT oil, coconut oil, lots of olive oil too). All I'm eating is basically white rice, potatoes (not many), oatmeal and sugar ... It's not health food, but if the alternative is being unable to work because the other stuff messes up my stomach, that's no alternative at all.

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The worst period for my microbiome and serious indigestion I got after cca a year of only plant food. It is personal and maybe you should see a gastroent. doctor. Don't be mad at other doctors prescribing ATBs, why even look back. Look forward. And speak Danish!
I'm sorry you also had to go through this .

I also didn't have this kind of problems before going plant based. But that's only masking the synthoms. I already had unexplained fatigue for several years after the use of antibiotics, it just didn't matter too much because all I was eating was basically meat and white rice ...

I am in contact with a Nutritionist in UK over Skype. Let's see ... Somehow I'm just too exhausted to continue putting money and see no results however .

He also (vegan) told me that it might be necessary to have some animal products. I wouldn't be totally against kefir etc, at the same time this is going to a point where it's no longer bearable . It's 6 months I'm surviving on the same 4-6 foods.
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As I said I'm quite scared actually. Because it seems quite bad and in some cases, reintroducing these bacterias (only a few straings, e.g. by eating sauercraut) can flare up quite some synthoms. So far I've been having 24h of brain fog and growling (beans/peas/legumes/white potatoes a bit) and sensation of being stabbed in the gut/stomach (MCT oil, coconut oil, lots of olive oil too). All I'm eating is basically white rice, potatoes (not many), oatmeal and sugar ... It's not health food, but if the alternative is being unable to work because the other stuff messes up my stomach, that's no alternative at all.


I'm sorry you also had to go through this .

I also didn't have this kind of problems before going plant based. But that's only masking the synthoms. I already had unexplained fatigue for several years after the use of antibiotics, it just didn't matter too much because all I was eating was basically meat and white rice ...

I am in contact with a Nutritionist in UK over Skype. Let's see ... Somehow I'm just too exhausted to continue putting money and see no results however .

He also (vegan) told me that it might be necessary to have some animal products. I wouldn't be totally against kefir etc, at the same time this is going to a point where it's no longer bearable . It's 6 months I'm surviving on the same 4-6 foods.
Has your UK nutritionist talked about trying a low FODMAP diet? Along with my celiac I’m sensitive to some FODMAPs. Your diet described above is very high in FODMAPs.

Also even if the cost seems outrageous, maybe with low energy it is worth having professionals do the move? Just a thought. You might arrive in your new home much more rested and relaxed, even if there’s a financial hit.
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Sauerkraut bloats. Good luck with your misions, I am sure people will be responsive here if you decide to share.
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As someone with celiac disease and a lot of relatives who spent a long time being very sick before finally being diagnosed ... have you been tested for celiac ? It’s something that often flies under the radar especially in Switzerland. Just a thought, sorry for all you’ve been through and hopefully Denmark is just what you need.

It is definitely hard to sell furniture and things especially at the moment. The second hand market is a bit flooded with average furniture for free or extremely cheap. If you do want to get rid of stuff try a local “free stuff” Facebook group. Where I live in five or ten minutes you have three people in line waiting to get it.
Thank you for your message too

I highly doubt I have (or had) celiac disease. I might be gluten intolerant or also only slightly intolerant. If I was celiac I would have died back in my university days, surviving on pasta and pizza.
That's not to say that it was easily digested or even well digested. As soon as I stopped gluten, stools became "better" (for lack of a better term ) and I didn't have to use one roll of toilet paper to clean (and when eating gluten I would regularly bleed, even though only slightly).

When I was a kid I also regularly ate white pasta. Recently when visiting my mom I also ate white pasta (now that I have these problems): no huge reaction, just some bloating and flatulence, but not even this stabbing sensation I have with oils. I also had brown pasta and bread in the past (although not regularly) and didn't have any huge reaction either.

I don't see a point introducing gluten in my diet since anyway it seems to create *some* issues.

I am currently finding oats to be the perfect balance between minerals, protein and fiber. Potatoes would be great too but they cause some issues at the moment. I guess I'm stuck with grains (oats & rice) for the moment .
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I highly doubt I have (or had) celiac disease. I might be gluten intolerant or also only slightly intolerant. If I was celiac I would have died back in my university days, surviving on pasta and pizza.
That's not to say that it was easily digested or even well digested. As soon as I stopped gluten, stools became "better" (for lack of a better term ) and I didn't have to use one roll of toilet paper to clean (and when eating gluten I would regularly bleed, even though only slightly).

When I was a kid I also regularly ate white pasta. Recently when visiting my mom I also ate white pasta (now that I have these problems): no huge reaction, just some bloating and flatulence, but not even this stabbing sensation I have with oils. I also had brown pasta and bread in the past (although not regularly) and didn't have any huge reaction either.

I don't see a point introducing gluten in my diet since anyway it seems to create *some* issues.

I am currently finding oats to be the perfect balance between minerals, protein and fiber. Potatoes would be great too but they cause some issues at the moment. I guess I'm stuck with grains (oats & rice) for the moment .
You should have a colonoscopy and a gastroscope honestly. Precisely many celiacs do quite well on high gluten for a long time. I ate bread products like you wouldn’t believe. But anyway, that’s your call and hopefully you can be followed by excellent doctors in Denmark.
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Has your UK nutritionist talked about trying a low FODMAP diet? Along with my celiac I’m sensitive to some FODMAPs. Your diet described above is very high in FODMAPs.

Also even if the cost seems outrageous, maybe with low energy it is worth having professionals do the move? Just a thought. You might arrive in your new home much more rested and relaxed, even if there’s a financial hit.
Yes. I installed the FODMAP application on my smartphones after his suggestion, thanks .

After I took out flaxseeds from my oatmeal my situation also improved. The blueberries I am not digesting (while taking a stool "sample" I could still see full blueberries - ewwww ) but somehow I still need some vitamin C I guess ...

Concerning my trust in the corrupted swiss medical system ... no.
For several reasons:
- My family doctor in 5 seconds told me that it's all in my head and referred to a psychiatrist. Thanks for nothing, then got some pills which caused huge migraines for a week. Needed to take 4 coffees and a redbull to compensate and get over it
- This means that whatever treatment I take is not covered by my insurance (UK Nutritionist & analysis there are not either)
- My "selbstbetrag" is 2500 CHF and I would like to spend too much in these last 3 months of the year
- Most importantly: whenever i try to ask previous doctors to transfer my "file" to the new doctor (or to me), it's always a joke. They only send 1-2 pages of analyses I already have or sometimes I even got a letter "this is all we have. nothis is kept at the doctor's office" -> nothing attached. And by law they are not even obliged to send you all the "thinking", "hypotheses" and ideas that were discussed. So either I have to tape record every meeting or what's the point? I will anyway have to start from scratch with new doctor, newer analyses, other ideas, etc
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You should have a colonoscopy and a gastroscope honestly. Precisely many celiacs do quite well on high gluten for a long time. I ate bread products like you wouldn’t believe. But anyway, that’s your call and hopefully you can be followed by excellent doctors in Denmark.
Really? You aren't celiac since you were born ? But if you are celiac now, you cannot eat pasta/bread, right? I can (with minor synthoms) ...

Yeah I probably should do these tests. Somehow I'm a bit demotivated though (seen lots of plants doctors talking about these investigation tests leading to more harm than good, e.g. bleeding to death during exham, unnecessary treatment due to false positives, etc).
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One should assess the quality of the edu system by one bad teacher and the health system by one bad GP.

Denmark might disappoint you.

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One should assess the quality of the edu system by one bad teacher and the health system by one bad GP.
That's what everybody says and it's a nice theory.
Maybe I got:
- The bad GP in Ticino
- The bad GP in Geneva
- The bad GP in Vaud
- The bad GP in Aargau (there used to be a nice female Doctor in that office, but now only the ****** guy is left)

And I would say not only the bad GPs, but also:
- Bad Optalmologists
- Bad Psychologists
- Bad Psychiatrists
- (Other Specialists I don't remember, but probably not statistically significant)

So since a canton is a "state" in some sense, you could be right. Statistically speaking I think I could have a higher change of winning the lottery though.

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So be it, at least I can go to the doctor and do whatever bullshit analysis he wants, the state pays for it with my taxes ...
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If you want good doctors and a good healthcare system, do not go to Denmark. I mean it.
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If you want good doctors and a good healthcare system, do not go to Denmark. I mean it.
My mother also told me that unless you have something very serious (e.g. cancer, serious injury, ...) the public system makes you wait a very long time. At the same time I don't see anybody so unhappy going to the doctor in my family there . And my uncle that had a private coverage through his employer was also very happy.

The only good doctor in Switzerland is the one I don't have, need or pay.

And to be honest I don't see the point of them in the first place for most of the stuff, if you could just take whatever you think you need from the pharmacy on your own. It's not like they are responsible if something happens or you die or smth, it's just money money money . I can also do unscientific trial & error, stuff whatever thing they think might help down your throat.

Heck it's a much more rigorous and scientific approach in engineering if you ask me .
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I think I told you this already some time ago in another, related thread: Whatever it is you are running away from, make sure you leave it behind. Moving to Denmark might not solve your problems.
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My mother also told me that unless you have something very serious (e.g. cancer, serious injury, ...) the public system makes you wait a very long time. At the same time I don't see anybody so unhappy going to the doctor in my family there . And my uncle that had a private coverage through his employer was also very happy.

The only good doctor in Switzerland is the one I don't have, need or pay.

And to be honest I don't see the point of them in the first place for most of the stuff, if you could just take whatever you think you need from the pharmacy on your own. It's not like they are responsible if something happens or you die or smth, it's just money money money . I can also do unscientific trial & error, stuff whatever thing they think might help down your throat.

Heck it's a much more rigorous and scientific approach in engineering if you ask me .
I have totally met some lousy engineers, though. But I think you need to be somewhere where you trust. That hygge magic

Life is a series of risky experiments to figure who to trust and who not to trust...just to figure out that all is better when you trust yourself, then you start trusting others. A couple of bad experiences won't phase you.

All the stool talking too, probably better to save for stool specialists.
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