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Re: Want to leave to Portugal or Spain - Quality of life?

No, I am not saying that. I am giving an example of expense levels for different activities but each person has different tastes. When I was living there, for some time I didn t save much, also my salary was a bit lower, and had a life near to what I explain except for the clothing/personal expenses. I had a phase at 40 k salary in which I saved every month. I don t spend a lot on clothing or electronics for instance, and love hiking, beach volley, running...but if someone likes more expensive activities then perhaps better to live in CH and pay the luxury car, or the golf holidays, or save a lot.

Depends on your goal in life and the lifestyle that one pursues.







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This is the type of information I always get when I just google. So you basically say in Barcelona people live day by day with no savings?


I was doing similar research before coming to Switzerland. I believed that 120k let you live just day by day, no savings. Than living here I realized that having all of that I spend no more than half of my income. Doing some research earlier this year I concluded that even if I got 120k EUR in Germany that would mean nearly half of the net income (income after taxes and expenses) I have here in Switzerland.
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Good info Yes I know it also gets cold there... worst case I'd really have to move to some tropical country



Perfect, thanks. I am still bit hesitant about Italy, but I got some offers from there, but I am bit worried about taxes for the property I own in other country. I think I have to pay like 1% of the property price
May I ask you why you're hesitant about Italy? After reading your posts I think you might like living there plus the salaries in IT are higher. I have two acquaintances who moved from Italy to Zurich a couple of years ago and still miss that lifestyle and the people. They learned the language very fast so that could have helped, I don't know.
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No, I am not saying that. I am giving an example of expense levels for different activities but each person has different tastes. When I was living there, for some time I didn t save much, also my salary was a bit lower, and had a life near to what I explain except for the clothing/personal expenses. I had a phase at 40 k salary in which I saved every month. I don t spend a lot on clothing or electronics for instance, and love hiking, beach volley, running...but if someone likes more expensive activities then perhaps better to live in CH and pay the luxury car, or the golf holidays, or save a lot.

Depends on your goal in life and the lifestyle that one pursues

Yeah, adjusting your lifestyle to what's available and learning the local tricks, that's the way. I've been living in a "poor" country where on paper people earn less than their normal monthly expenses, yet I was able to save 80% of my salary (~1000 Ä). Perhaps one can cut the expenses in Portugal to 1k Ä from the 2.7k Ä if managing wisely.
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how come nobody has mentioned ticino????
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May I ask you why you're hesitant about Italy? After reading your posts I think you might like living there plus the salaries in IT are higher. I have two acquaintances who moved from Italy to Zurich a couple of years ago and still miss that lifestyle and the people. They learned the language very fast so that could have helped, I don't know.
Italy is an option as well, so I guess I will consider it too.
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Italy is an option as well, so I guess I will consider it too.
Hi,

Good morning

Italy as a tourist itís one thing and as resident itís completely different experience.
If I may, I would suggest to visit the city/region/place and stay couple weeks there. The most beautiful places (e.g.: south) itís very complicated to live, even if you speak fluently the dialect. Maybe you wonít enjoy or like the city/region and their way of life...

Itís not like CH, in short words...

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Hi,

Good morning

Italy as a tourist it’s one thing and as resident it’s completely different experience.
If I may, I would suggest to visit the city/region/place and stay couple weeks there. The most beautiful places (e.g.: south) it’s very complicated to live, even if you speak fluently the dialect. Maybe you won’t enjoy or like the city/region and their way of life...

It’s not like CH, in short words...

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Amongst other places, am considering Puglia to buy a house and retire. What makes it complicated to live ? Lack of jobs (dont need any) ? Crime ?

The plan is to explore the interesting places for retirement once the situation has somewhat normalised.
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Amongst other places, am considering Puglia to buy a house and retire. What makes it complicated to live ? Lack of jobs (dont need any) ? Crime ?

The plan is to explore the interesting places for retirement once the situation has somewhat normalised.
South of Italy itís different....

Please forgive me I donít wanna extend myself writing about it, because even being a reality, a lot of people can feel offended and thatís not my purpose.

Just heads up.
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