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Wincasa want's me to pay for electricity even after handing over the keys

Is this normal? They say I'm required to de-register on the end of the month, not the date when I give them the keys.
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Is this normal? They say I'm required to de-register on the end of the month, not the date when I give them the keys.
There is no logic in that, electricity is based on causative principle. You obviously use electricity in your new place now.
Deregister including the day you moved. Register at the new place the same day (that day you had/used two flats). Never mind the landlord, it's not your problem.
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Is this normal? They say I'm required to de-register on the end of the month, not the date when I give them the keys.
Makes sense that you pay until end of contract, assuming that you handed over the keys earlier.
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Re: Wincasa want's me to pay for electricity even after handing over the keys

It also depends on when the new tenants entered your apartment.

If they entered the first day of the following month (let's say 1st of May) then yes, you will have to pay until the end of your contract (End of April).
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Makes sense
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LOL.
Well, think logically, OP. You have a separate contract with the electricity supplier. It's based on what you use. You have to cancel that contract, why have the landlord have a say in it?
I suggest you cancel by the exact date, lean back and watch what happens.

Of course you can also have the landlord renovate the entire flat on your electricity.
Or if it simply annoys you, demand the keys back
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Re: Wincasa want's me to pay for electricity even after handing over the keys

When I moved out three weeks earlier I got the following message:

On the day the keys are handed over, your electricity meter will be read by an EKZ (Electricity Company) employee. Shortly after I received the final invoice only until the day of handing over the keys.
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Is this normal? They say I'm required to de-register on the end of the month, not the date when I give them the keys.
Under ordinary conditions that makes no difference because there's to be no accessing nor any usage by anyone other than you (or authorised by you) until the contract has ended. Whether you still have the keys doesn't matter legally.

So, why do they think it makes a difference? Until which date do you pay rent, key handover or end of month? And will they be allowed early access?
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Re: Wincasa want's me to pay for electricity even after handing over the keys

Surely what you do with the keys or the property is irrelevant.

What matters is when the contract with the electricity company is terminated - if you inform them of that, with the reading and the details of the landlord, then it should be OK.

Of course if you try to do that before you actually leave, the landlord could claim the costs back off you, but that's a different story.
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Is this normal? They say I'm required to de-register on the end of the month, not the date when I give them the keys.
Yes.

What, you thought it's a scam?
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Yes.

What, you thought it's a scam?
No.

And it may no be a scam but a nice try.
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No.

And it may no be a scam but a nice try.
What difference does it make if no-one will use the premises until the contract expires?
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What difference does it make if no-one will use the premises until the contract expires?
None. So why does the landlord - the one with the keys and access - insist on a totally abnormal (in this country) procedure?

If you can avoid a possible problem, do it. Life is so much simpler that way.
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None. So why does the landlord - the one with the keys and access - insist on a totally abnormal (in this country) procedure?

If you can avoid a possible problem, do it. Life is so much simpler that way.
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Under ordinary conditions that makes no difference because there's to be no accessing nor any usage by anyone other than you (or authorised by you) until the contract has ended. Whether you still have the keys doesn't matter legally.

So, why do they think it makes a difference? Until which date do you pay rent, key handover or end of month? And will they be allowed early access?
Way back in college days I was offered a free room for the Summer in a house where my friends lived on the other side of town, so i left my apartment vacant for a few months (still paying rent but not living there).

After not having been there for 2.5 months, I went in one day to find the windows had been opened (from inside, not a break-in). And the air conditioning was on full blast. I looked around to find that a new faucet had been installed in the bathroom sink.

I went to the building administration and explained that not only had they entered my flat without notice/permission, etc. but that their maintenance guys had also opened the windows, turned on the AC, and left it that way for who knows how long.

They responded that no, the maintenance men are not permitted to do that so therefore it didnt happen - so about the electric bill, “sue us”

Cost me a small fortune for a broke college kid.
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I went to the building administration and explained that not only had they entered my flat without notice/permission, etc. but that their maintenance guys had also opened the windows, turned on the AC, and left it that way for who knows how long.
Not what I call normal conditions. Starting with the fact that someone appears to have had a key without your knowledge while you were renting.
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Re: Wincasa want's me to pay for electricity even after handing over the keys

If you pay electricity based on usage and a meter is read, usually the reading is arranged for the day you hand back the keys.

However, if you pay electricity (and other utilities) at a fixed monthly rate, (Pauschal) then I understand you must pay to the end of the month.

The question is how many days before the end of the month did you move out and return the keys? Did a new tenant move in immediately?
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Is this normal? They say I'm required to de-register on the end of the month, not the date when I give them the keys.
Ha! You must have forgotten where you are living sir. Wincasa can legally charge you for utilities incurred for up to 5 years after you have moved out (or is it 3). We have been in arguments with them for over a year now as months after we did the handover they sent us a bill for 2k for fixing the elevator, electricity, water, heat, pressure washing of the garage, mowing the grass, all general shit that should be included in rent and why people rent to begin with. Its been borderline harrassment and one of the reasons many will recommend you to have legal insurance in a country such as this. Renters dont have a leg to stand on. That said, I wouldnt pay them shit. I have asked them repeatedly for proof of costs they want to charge us, receipts etc, they cant provide it and keep cancelling the appointment to "show it to us" in person.
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Ha! You must have forgotten where you are living sir. Wincasa can legally charge you for utilities incurred for up to 5 years after you have moved out (or is it 3). We have been in arguments with them for over a year now as months after we did the handover they sent us a bill for 2k for fixing the elevator, electricity, water, heat, pressure washing of the garage, mowing the grass, all general shit that should be included in rent and why people rent to begin with. Its been borderline harrassment and one of the reasons many will recommend you to have legal insurance in a country such as this. Renters dont have a leg to stand on. That said, I wouldnt pay them shit. I have asked them repeatedly for proof of costs they want to charge us, receipts etc, they cant provide it and keep cancelling the appointment to "show it to us" in person.
If you think it's harassment, send them a letter stating that and demanding that they stop sending you such things. Next thing if they should choose would probably be a Betreibung and then you can go to arbitration or let a court decide. They would then need to convince someone else that the amounts are due, although you might equally need to convince that they're not.
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