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Old 07.01.2011, 02:27
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Does my 7 month old count as a person when bringing back groceries from France?

Couldn'tfind this information anywhere else, but we plan to go across to France tomorrow, and would be super useful if she could help us bring a bit more stuff over!

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Old 07.01.2011, 02:35
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Re: Does my 7 month old count as a person when bringing back groceries from France?

That has to be one of the funniest questions that I have heard asked and I am looking forward very much to hearing the answer!
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Old 07.01.2011, 02:56
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Re: Does my 7 month old count as a person when bringing back groceries from France?

I'm not 100% sure about this but i think the person has to be 17 in order to import.

The link below is about Tax Free shopping, it says "Alcohol and Tobaco, These limits apply only to persons aged at least 17 years "

http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_pri...x.html?lang=en

http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_pri...x.html?lang=en

Granted, its food shopping etc but i think that rule still applies.

So i imagine that it will only work if the second person is 17 or 18 years old..

I found nothing on Switzerland, importing in to France however ( no matter what) can be done from 15 years old and onwards..but nothing about Switzerland..
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Old 07.01.2011, 04:52
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Re: Does my 7 month old count as a person when bringing back groceries from France?

The answer to this question is most definitely on this site somewhere. So a search is in order to get the right answer. I remember reading that yes children do count as people.

ETA: I found this thread:
Cross border tax allowance

This post in particular:
Cross border tax allowance

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Old 07.01.2011, 05:08
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I'm not 100% sure about this but i think the person has to be 17 in order to import.

The link below is about Tax Free shopping, it says "Alcohol and Tobaco, These limits apply only to persons aged at least 17 years "

http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_pri...x.html?lang=en

http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_pri...x.html?lang=en

Granted, its food shopping etc but i think that rule still applies.

So i imagine that it will only work if the second person is 17 or 18 years old..

I found nothing on Switzerland, importing in to France however ( no matter what) can be done from 15 years old and onwards..but nothing about Switzerland..
Over 17 is for alcohol & tobacco only.
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Old 07.01.2011, 05:32
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Over 17 is for alcohol & tobacco only.
I know, that is why i pointed out it was for Alcohol and Tobacco, saying "Granted, its food shopping etc but i think that rule still applies"


Anyway,if there is no age limit,round up the neighbourhood kitd, load up the van and go on a shopping spree
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Re: Does my 7 month old count as a person when bringing back groceries from France?

Since my daughter is born she counts has a ''person'' () to the borders. We do our grocery in Germany and indeed she is entitle to her 500 gr of meat.
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Re: Does my 7 month old count as a person when bringing back groceries from France?

Depends if she is animal, vegetable, or mineral, I suppose.
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Re: Does my 7 month old count as a person when bringing back groceries from France?

The link below states that it is per person for foodstuffs. It doesn't state an age limit on the "person" except for the alcohol.

We always go across as a family (2 adults & 4 kids) every 2 weeks to get our 3kg of meat and 30 litres of milk! I have never been queried, when getting my receipts stamped, as to whether I have the right number of people travelling with me for my quota. Would certainly love for them to come out to my car and see though

http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_pri...x.html?lang=en

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I have never been queried, when getting my receipts stamped, as to whether I have the right number of people travelling with me for my quota. Would certainly love for them to come out to my car and see though.
The people stamping your forms won't care, they are not from Switzerland. It's the Swiss border guards that would be the one's to worry about if you are over your limit. If you are over the import limit, you are still able to get forms stamped at the border to get the tax back, but you are then supposed to stop at the Swiss customs to hand in your forms to be checked and pay the import duty. You would still save money, but obviously, not as much.
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Re: Does my 7 month old count as a person when bringing back groceries from France?

For those in basel that do shopping or have forms stamped in weil an rhein be aware that the german customs co operate very closely with the swiss. They even telephone the swiss office to tell them you have something over the limit of 300chf etc.

Another "signal" is they make you park in front of the office and come out of the booth - clear signal to the swiss you have something over the limit.

the border at bad sackingen is a different story though and an advantagous one....
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Old 08.01.2011, 16:51
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Re: Does my 7 month old count as a person when bringing back groceries from France?

Thanks everyone, I think that she does infact count as a person, except for alcohol and tobacco (kind of obvious anyway).
We didn't get stopped, but we were within our limits anyway - unlike the guy infront of us, who has what looked like a years supply of orange juice in the boot...!
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Re: Does my 7 month old count as a person when bringing back groceries from France?

Yes she does count. I have called the Geneva border control to confirm as I was travelling with my children.

As you would expect though and as already pointed above, cigarettes and alcohol allowances are for adults only.

A passing comment: i have found the swiss customs were relative more tolerant than I had first thought with the allowances... I stopped the other day to declare the winter tyres and the groceries I had bought. The tyres were over the 300CHF limit, so I had to pay the swiss VAT on it and then I had for about 270 euros of groceries shopping (worth slightly more than the 300CHF limit) but given I had treated my son to a free trip to Mulhouse, the customs official was happy to let me go without paying more VAT as my son's allowance covered it.

Also it seems that if you actually have something to declare when you go through the border, they are less suspicious... Coming back from the Christmas holidays in france, we had the car full of new gifts + some clothes we had bought. Arriving at the border the guard asked whether we had something to declare and we said yes. He asked us to park and to go to the office, and then happily moved on to the next car. I parked the car and I went in with my little bag of clothes worth 240 euros... (i.e 299 CHF) and the guy there stamped my form so I could claim my french VAT back and there was no nasty question...

Moral: going forward, I will always have something to declare when I cross the border. no more stress...
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