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Importing antique rifle?

A very old and valuable rifle has been passed on to me and I was wondering if it is even possible for me to bring it to Switzerland. I currently have a B permit but I should get my Swiss pass next year. Does anyone know how I can go about importing this rifle?

Second question. This rifle has never been put up for sale so its hard to put a price on it. The only thing I can say is that it is very, very valuable. What might I have to face when considering paying some import tax? (considering I am allowed to bring it here)

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A very old and valuable rifle has been passed on to me and I was wondering if it is even possible for me to bring it to Switzerland. I currently have a B permit but I should get my Swiss pass next year. Does anyone know how I can go about importing this rifle?
Straight from B permit to citizenship - you'll be lucky! Or did you mean you are getting a C permit next year?

Inheriting is considered the same as buying; you need an import permit (from the federal police) and depending on the gun also an acquisition permit (from the cantonal police.)

More info here (in German, sorry):
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Re: Importing antique rifle?

I should get my pass next year (married to a Swiss) Why I even have a B permit and not a C is still a question.

I am a bit scared at what price they give me for the value of this rifle. If I can hide (or pretend I dont know and hope they dont know as well) its historical value then I can pass it off as just an old rifle worth a few thousand dollars. If not then I might not be able to afford bringing it here. It has been stolen from my family four times already and would make any gun collector get a hard on. I dont collect or even own guns but this was my birth right so its my duty to hold on to it and give it to my grandson.
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Old 14.01.2011, 12:33
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Re: Importing antique rifle?

Well, I wouldn't lie to them about it; if it's as valuable as all that you'll want to insure it appropriately when you get it here, after all, and I wouldn't count on the paper trail never catching up with you. Better to pay up (if there is anything to pay - the cantonal Waffenbüro should be able to tell you this when you apply for the import permit) and sleep good at night.
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Old 14.01.2011, 12:44
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Re: Importing antique rifle?

you can try to lie about its value, but if they suspect its worth more they will value it and hit you with a bill anyway, happend to me on some really cheap things even with the reciepts attached to the parcel, and of course if you value it at $3000 and dhl lose it / smash it up, guess how much they will pay you?
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Re: Importing antique rifle?

Can you post a photo?
I wanna see this antique rifle
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Re: Importing antique rifle?

I imported an antique, but perfectly working, rifle a few years ago (family heirloom). I posted about it in response to some other inquiries about importing firearms, so search the forum and you should find.

A few things to add-- is it a working firearm? if so regardless of antique status, this will make you follow the procedures just like any new firearm. Because it is a weapon, there are specific import procedures, search the Swiss Customs site for the exact procedures, but as I recall, and if nothing has changed, you will need the approval of the Federal Police in Berne because it is a weapon. Valuing it for customs was the easy part. Just make sure if using a moving company, that they are aware of it and allow it, and that you have the proper insurance for it, if it is really valuable. Depending on how long you've been in CH, you may not need to pay anything for importing personal effects. If importing ammunition with it, this will also require some paperwork as I recall, although I only imported a gun. My importation went extremely well, no problems, but I did the planning and investigating well in advance.
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Second question. This rifle has never been put up for sale so its hard to put a price on it. The only thing I can say is that it is very, very valuable. What might I have to face when considering paying some import tax? (considering I am allowed to bring it here)
I would get it appraised by a professional; the appraisal should be adequate for customs clearance as well as insurance purposes.
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Re: Importing antique rifle?

Sorry, no photos. And I will personally bring this back with me. No DHL, UPS or whatever. And I am scared to have it appraised. Even as a rifle by itself it is considerably rare and valuable but its real value comes from who it belonged to. And judging from past auctions of old rifles from lesser famous people...... I dont even want to think about it. Like I said, I might not be able to afford it. Yes it functions, and pretty well too. Two weeks before my grandfather died (this was over ten years ago) He grabbed the rifle and said "lets go shoot a few rounds" Which supprised the hell out of me because I knew that this rifle had not been fired since my grandfather was a kid when his grandfather took him out to shoot a few rounds. That was the last time I saw my grandfather alive. Now I have a son which meets the requirements for me to inherit this rifle. This rifle has so many stories I should write a book about it. lol
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Old 14.01.2011, 15:36
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Re: Importing antique rifle?

You're gonna make us guess, is that it?

1) John Wilkes Booth
2) Teddy Roosevelt
3) ???
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You're gonna make us guess, is that it?

1) John Wilkes Booth
2) Teddy Roosevelt
3) ???

My great grand father won it in a poker game from one of his close friends in Dodge City. None other than Wyatt Earp. It was Wyatts favorite gun because of who the original owner was. Even though history says that the Bluntline Special was his favorite (to use) this rifle was his favorite to own. I will not say who owned it before that because then I will feel like Tom Hanks holding the keystone. LOL

1+2=3
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My great grand father won it in a poker game from one of his close friends in Dodge City. None other than Wyatt Earp. It was Wyatts favorite gun because of who the original owner was. Even though history says that the Bluntline Special was his favorite (to use) this rifle was his favorite to own. I will not say who owned it before that because then I will feel like Tom Hanks holding the keystone. LOL

1+2=3
well you're already like dan brown, spinning a story and keeping us hanging on
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Re: Importing antique rifle?

A few more thoughts in response to your additional info.

Not sure how you will "personally bring it back here" but it seems that you are here and the gun is across a large body of water. I don't know of any commercial carrier that will allow it as carry-on, but may be possible with checked bagage. If it is so valuable, you may need to think about the dangers involved with checked baggage, it is a route I chose not to do. If in CH for short period, using the personal effects exemption is the easiest for customs, and one I also chose for 'not drawing attention' to such an item, ie. listing it among a few pages of other stuff. You may want to think about the same, as if you just come here with a gun on your declaration card, it will indeed draw attention.

Please be aware that there is an exemption for 'inherited goods' from the Customs. Not sure of your whole story, but in one case you mentioned you will inherit it now, but that your grandfather died 10 years ago. If it is a true inheritance and the previous owner died in another country, and you are the legal inheritor, (some paperwork proof I believe), then you have the right to exemptions from tax, up to 100,000 chf, I believe (see Customs site for details).

I see no reason for an appraisal, it is not a commercial transaction. Either treat it as your own personal property or inherited property.
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Oh, boo! I came over here to tell you about the inheritance exemption and goody two shoes RunningDeer got here first....

Well, I'm glad you have the info anyway!!

http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_pri...x.html?lang=en
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Re: Importing antique rifle?

Maybe a daft suggestion, but: If it is a family piece, importing is difficult and or expensive and you do not know if you want to keep it in Switzerland forever, how about a safe place to store in the US?

I guess there must be plenty of museums who would love to display it well protected - not as a donation, but on loan...
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well you're already like dan brown, spinning a story and keeping us hanging on
Except Dan Brown couldn't identify a story if it hit him in the face.
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Two weeks before my grandfather died (this was over ten years ago) He grabbed the rifle and said "lets go shoot a few rounds" Which supprised the hell out of me because I knew that this rifle had not been fired since my grandfather was a kid when his grandfather took him out to shoot a few rounds. That was the last time I saw my grandfather alive.
Not to be disrespectful, but, eh,

did you shoot your grandpa that day ?
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My great grand father won it in a poker game from one of his close friends in Dodge City. None other than Wyatt Earp. It was Wyatts favorite gun because of who the original owner was. Even though history says that the Bluntline Special was his favorite (to use) this rifle was his favorite to own. I will not say who owned it before that because then I will feel like Tom Hanks holding the keystone. LOL

1+2=3
Was it Doc Holliday's and was it the one he used during the shoot-out with the Clanton gang at the O.K. corral? Surely that would make it priceless.. if this can be proved...
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Re: Importing antique rifle?

You want to import an article which is very dear to American hearts, and then presumably lock it up here forever.

Many years later how are you or your son going to import it back into USA? It will loose it's worth as people will assume it is a copy.

Why not leave it secure in the USA on loan to a Museum? You can always go and see it, and it will keep it's value, unchalleged, in a secure case.
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Maybe a daft suggestion, but: If it is a family piece, importing is difficult and or expensive and you do not know if you want to keep it in Switzerland forever, how about a safe place to store in the US?

I guess there must be plenty of museums who would love to display it well protected - not as a donation, but on loan...


I have thought about this many times, and I still do as its the safest option. The only downside to the museum option is the true value will be known, which may lead to my son or his son wanting to auctioning it off for the money. (But then again I could make some legal document forbidding this from happening) Plus I wont be able to see it very often. Once you hold it you dont want to let it go, it seems to have a "My Precioussss" effect. lol
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