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What the law means to you?

This week we saw many interesting topics on EF and many where rules, laws related. The thread who made us talk the most was about to involve the police or not when a coffee/bar/restaurant breaks the no-smoking law.

We have also this other topic about paying a ''bonus'' to someone to get an appartment even when knowing that this is an illegal practice and should be prohibited.

So here is my question, what is your relation with the law in general?

Do you think it should be respected at all time?

Do you think that you can break the rules sometimes (especially if it is on your favor)?

Do you think that laws are for everybody else except you?

I am pretty curious because I remember when someone was saying that he was using the public transport without paying, people here were burning him alive. But if someone wants to report something like a break of the smoke ban law, he is also the bad guy. And if someone is giving or receiving money to assure him an appartment it seems ok...

I believe that people are hypocrites and use the law and rules in a way that serve them.
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Old 21.01.2011, 14:26
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Re: What the law means to you?

I just have to do this before the serious responses start..


Please, continue...
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Old 21.01.2011, 14:30
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Damn right I still don't pay for public transport most of the time!
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I just have to do this before the serious responses start..
serious resonponses? where? on the EF
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Old 21.01.2011, 14:34
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Re: What the law means to you?

Sometimes rules are there to be broken..

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@corsebouthereturn, why does she get groaned for that?
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@corsebouthereturn, why does she get groaned for that?
This is his revenge because I groaned at him this morning when he said that he had no problem to accept money from someone in assurance to get the appartment.
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This is his revenge because I groaned at him this morning when he said that he had no problem to accept money from someone in assurance to get the appartment.
Ah, I get it. I think that is wrong by the way. (getting money in assurance to get an apt)
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This week we saw many interesting topics on EF and many where rules, laws related. The thread who made us talk the most was about to involve the police or not when a coffee/bar/restaurant breaks the no-smoking law.

We have also this other topic about paying a ''bonus'' to someone to get an appartment even when knowing that this is an illegal practice and should be prohibited.

So here is my question, what is your relation with the law in general?

Do you think it should be respected at all time?

Do you think that you can break the rules sometimes (especially if it is on your favor)?

Do you think that laws are for everybody else except you?

I am pretty curious because I remember when someone was saying that he was using the public transport without paying, people here were burning him alive. But if someone wants to report something like a break of the smoke ban law, he is also the bad guy. And if someone is giving or receiving money to assure him an appartment it seems ok...

I believe that people are hypocrites and use the law and rules in a way that serve them.
Knowing you been canadian , I know your answer
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Old 21.01.2011, 14:47
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Knowing you been canadian , I know your answer
Could you give me a hint about what is my answer, because I have no idea what answer you think I would have...
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Could you give me a hint about what is my answer, because I have no idea what answer you think I would have...
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Old 21.01.2011, 14:51
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@corsebouthereturn, why does she get groaned for that?

Yes she get groaned for because the judge decided to sanction her for over simplification and wrong use of groaning violence .

She would get another groan for "diffamation" but the judge is busy.
(refering to "he said that he had no problem to accept money from someone in assurance to get the appartment. ")

"Judge Me" never said that.


In my defense, and refering to the "incident" :

(We have also this other topic about paying a ''bonus'' to someone to get an appartment even when knowing that this is an illegal practice and should be prohibited.)


My clientnever accepted money to insure someone of getting my appartment.
On the contrary, my client
HAD TO pay leaving tenants only if he would get the appartment. Simply because after visiting, applying to over 70 flats, he never got a positive answer for his strong applications.Also, in his defense, he heard many comments on how current tenants obtained their flat (ie in an illegal way).

Keeping playing "by the rules" (ie not offering a bribe) would have lead to losing much more money and create additional discomfort. Therefore, my client offered 1000chf reward IF he would sign a lease thanks to the current tenant.

Moreover, my client reported that he officially complain to the current authorities about abuse made by "current tenants". They officially reply whatever, showing that they don't care. He also reported racial discrimination, but the official authorities said they won't do anything.



Finally, my client never got a flat that way so he never comitted illegal practice. He just tried alternative solutions.




I should pay myself for that good defending.




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Old 21.01.2011, 15:03
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Old 21.01.2011, 15:05
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Re: What the law means to you?

And? what is your relation with the law? The law is the law at all time? Part time? Or when you feel for it? exemples?

That reminds me the story again on the forum of a guy who was out with his girlfriend / wife and a guy came out from nowhere and tried to grab her. And the Bf/husband kicked the guy's butt and he was the one in trouble with the police.... And people were again burning him alive for using force and violence to protect his Gf/wife...

It seems weird when you see those topics coming on the forum and how people react differently according of the situations and not according to the law, at all time. Don't you think?
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Yes she get groaned for because the judge decided to sanction her for over simplification and wrong use of groaning violence .

She would get another groan for "diffamation" but the judge is busy.
(refering to "he said that he had no problem to accept money from someone in assurance to get the appartment. ")

"Judge Me" never said that.


In my defense, and refering to the "incident" :
(We have also this other topic about paying a ''bonus'' to someone to get an appartment even when knowing that this is an illegal practice and should be prohibited.)


My clientnever accepted money to insure someone of getting my appartment.
On the contrary, my client HAD TO pay leaving tenants only if he would get the appartment. Simply because after visiting, applying to over 70 flats, he never got a positive answer for his strong applications.Also, in his defense, he heard many comments on how current tenants obtained their flat (ie in an illegal way).

Keeping playing "by the rules" (ie not offering a bribe) would have lead to losing much more money and create additional discomfort. Therefore, my client offered 1000chf reward IF he would sign a lease thanks to the current tenant.

Moreover, my client reported that he officially complain to the current authorities about abuse made by "current tenants". They officially reply whatever, showing that they don't care. He also reported racial discrimination, but the official authorities said they won't do anything.



Finally, my client never got a flat that way so he never comitted illegal practice. He just tried alternative solutions.




I should pay myself for that good defending.




Hum, this is what you wrote, isn't it?

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Why not? the market is already ultra competitive and "black". I collected many comments from people having the flat saying they got it because they know someone at the agency, and so on.

Also, it's better to offer a bribe to a student or whoever leaving the property...

Anyway it's not a "waste" but an investment: not having property means extra long delays, visiting other ones, waiting for administration crap, hotels, food extra, etc...



BUT on that advert the guy "asking for one" should be reported to the agency (who will not care) and to the local council (who will not care). You can also start some legal proceedings on basis of "discrimination" or "bribe" (if such a thing exists) but as you know it will be long, and likely useless.

I read the same kind when a guy was saying "flat will be given to someone accepting to buy his furnitures, some crappy brown cream sofa, over 1000chf!!!. Agency don't give a crap, so the council, etc...
So if it is offered, it is ok, but if the guy ask for it, he should be reported.... But the law is clear on this. No bribery at all!!
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Re: What the law means to you?

Oh please - do allow me to "respond properly"!!

In general I think I'm a pretty normal law abiding citizen. In general I try not to break the law. I try not to speed in my car or get on the tram without a ticket etc. but there have been occasions when I've done both of those things who hasn't? [Oh please don't throw me in jail ]

You're running for the tram and you're going to be late for a really important appointment (job interview let's say). You don't have time to get a ticket - whachagonnado? Well, I'm probably going to get on and risk it and I think a lot of other people would too. But if I wasn't late and I saw the tram coming and I know the next one is in 5 minutes, well, I would probably let it go, buy a ticket and get on the next one.

And then of course there are laws that you break accidentally. My abgas ran out on my car and I didn't realise - because I park my car in the sun and it had faded the sticker. Yes, I should have remembered or had it written down, but I didn't. So I broke the law. I was lucky and didn't get caught - but it wasn't intentional and I wouldn't intentionally do that.

Would I report someone else who broke the law? Well.... it depends. If I witnessed an actual crime then yes, for sure (as in someone breaking into a house or beating someone up).

But I wouldn't report someone who hasn't got a tram ticket. I don't think I'd report someone breaking the smoking ban either.
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And? what is your relation with the law? The law is the law at all time? Part time? Or when you feel for it? exemples?

That reminds me the story again on the forum of a guy who was out with his girlfriend / wife and a guy came out from nowhere and tried to grab her. And the Bf/husband kicked the guy's butt and he was the one in trouble with the police.... And people were again burning him alive for using force and violence to protect his Gf/wife...

It seems weird when you see those topics coming on the forum and how people react differently according of the situations and not according to the law, at all time. Don't you think?
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Oh please - do allow me to "respond properly"!!

In general I think I'm a pretty normal law abiding citizen. In general I try not to break the law. I try not to speed in my car or get on the tram without a ticket etc. but there have been occasions when I've done both of those things who hasn't? [Oh please don't throw me in jail ]

You're running for the tram and you're going to be late for a really important appointment (job interview let's say). You don't have time to get a ticket - whachagonnado? Well, I'm probably going to get on and risk it and I think a lot of other people would too. But if I wasn't late and I saw the tram coming and I know the next one is in 5 minutes, well, I would probably let it go, buy a ticket and get on the next one.

And then of course there are laws that you break accidentally. My abgas ran out on my car and I didn't realise - because I park my car in the sun and it had faded the sticker. Yes, I should have remembered or had it written down, but I didn't. So I broke the law. I was lucky and didn't get caught - but it wasn't intentional and I wouldn't intentionally do that.

Would I report someone else who broke the law? Well.... it depends. If I witnessed an actual crime then yes, for sure (as in someone breaking into a house or beating someone up).

But I wouldn't report someone who hasn't got a tram ticket. I don't think I'd report someone breaking the smoking ban either.
That is an honest answer! Thank you! I do know that you are not the kind to bash on anyones who do those things from your high horse!

It is funny when someone gets upset of someone who ''breaks'' the law but will do the same thing on something else!
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