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Old 01.03.2011, 11:03
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Re: Confiscated items at airport

The liquids regulation is ridiculous. Why? You can not do anything with a small bottle of liquid, even if explosive.
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Re: Confiscated items at airport

I was once stuck at the Paris Beauvais airport past their official closing time, due to a delayed flight (last one and already on the way).

I got to see the airport staff and guards share the day's bounty between them at the gate - that included several bottles of champagne, cognac, wine, some perfumes and other foodstuffs.

Believe me - nothing got wasted!

And to add insult to injury, back then (3-4 years ago), several shops at Beauvais airport were just BEFORE the security check, but after the passport check (so no way back). Several people lost their purchases only minutes after paying for them.
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Old 01.03.2011, 11:35
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Re: Confiscated items at airport

This is the gun in question, hardly a replica!





A couple of weeks ago I flew out of Zurich airport with my baby boy, I had a few bottles of expressed milk and they had no problems letting me through with it and were pretty relaxed re the buggy and me and baby going through, they wheeled the buggy through the archway thing, flying back via manchester they put the buggy through a scanner searched me and the baby! and made me taste the milk!

where is the consistency for gods sake...

anyway going to call Zurich airport and see if I can collect these 'toys' my nephew says he never wants to go to Zurich airport ever again - I am sure in a week it will be forgotten but he was upset as it was a birthday gift from me and now it's gone
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where is the consistency for gods sake...
They are consistently inconsistent - that's how they keep the theatrical conceit going.
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The liquids regulation is ridiculous. Why? You can not do anything with a small bottle of liquid, even if explosive.
Yes, actually you can ...
That was part of the plot at Heathrow to blow up passengers ....

I'm never to sure why people whine about security matters - I would rather be on the safe side than die TBH.

There probably needs to be more consistency - but that is the way it goes.
Several years ago, I bought a 1/2 inch AF spanner in the UK. I needed it to work on a motorbike. I didn't think, as I was only carrying hand luggage, but i had it confiscated.

I loved the visual of me unbolting the wings of an Easyjet 737 with a 1/2 inch AF spanner. I don't know why bombers bother with explosives ....

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Old 01.03.2011, 12:05
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Yes, actually you can ...
That was part of the plot at Heathrow to blow up passengers ....

I'm never to sure why people whine about security matters - I would rather be on the safe side than die TBH.
I am fine with the security and agree with it but the inconsistency from airport to airport pee's me off and the fact Zurich airport staff told my sister in law that I could not collect the item, yet others are stating they were given a receipt to collect their items later, inconsistent again
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Old 01.03.2011, 12:26
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Ah, I remember the good old days. Back in '99, I flew out of Zurich with a dismantled metalworking lathe as carry on. About 25kg's of cast iron and steel... the spindle must've looked like a gun barrel on the x-ray, the old chick started to stand up and motion me aside and I said "uhrmacher!" and she smiled and waved me on .

In Prague they have glass cases they drop all the pocket knives and fingernail clippers and sewing sets in. Lots of nice looking pocket knives in there, including my old Leatherman. I wonder if they would have enough humor to put a Nerf gun in there ? Would it provoke more laughter or anger from passengers?

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Old 01.03.2011, 12:27
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Re: Confiscated items at airport

At Liverpool they didn't like me carring a multisocket extension lead with me. They said the lead could be used to strangle someone. I often carry a laptop with power lead etc so didn't anticipate it being a problem.
So I thought OK, they can have the lead, and I'll keep the part with the sockets, so proceeded to pull out the wire and I said they could have the wire, but I'd keep the sockets. That was a big problem for them and I insisted to see a supervisor and then reasoned what is wrong with carrying just the sockets and was reluctantly allowed. But if it was to be destroyed, why the problem that they only got the offending part?
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Old 01.03.2011, 12:33
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Re: Confiscated items at airport

Just called Zurich airport, yet more inconsistencies, I mentioned that people had told me they were given a receipt to collect the confiscated items (as per some posters responses on here) they said no way, the staff at baggage check would not have time to issue a receipt and that all items confiscated are put in the bin, what bin is that then? the staff xmas party fund eBay sale items bin?
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Old 01.03.2011, 12:35
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It seems in some mexican airports they raffle said items between employees...
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Old 01.03.2011, 12:38
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I'm never to sure why people whine about security matters - I would rather be on the safe side than die TBH.


Ok. Let's go head-to-head. You take the nail clippers and I'll go empty handed. Let's see who wins, eh?

The security measures are a joke - based on the inconsistencies alone - and are simply there to make passengers feel something is being done.

Classic example is flying hand-luggage only on a day trip. In one direction no problem, return flight all sorts of different alarms go off, even though you flew in and out with exactly the same kit/clothing etc.
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Re: Confiscated items at airport

Consistency = predictability. If all airports around the world, or even the very same airports you flew out of, had the same checks every time for the same things in the same way, it make it much easier for potential harm-inflicting individuals to plan something.

Classic example: a toy gun, such as the one the OP had confiscated, sure doesn't LOOK like a real gun but is sufficiently large enough to actually contain a knife or some other type of weapon. Opening such a toy would be child's play (no pun intended ) and thus they deem such things as risk items.

I do feel that there should be some system of collecting the items, perhaps with RFID tags or similar, which would be cost-effective (provided the owner pays a small fee of course).
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Old 01.03.2011, 12:58
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Classic example: a toy gun, such as the one the OP had confiscated, sure doesn't LOOK like a real gun but is sufficiently large enough to actually contain a knife or some other type of weapon. Opening such a toy would be child's play (no pun intended ) and thus they deem such things as risk items.
That's what Xray machines are for.

The overall policy and enforcement seems plain wrong. They seem to be unable to do it in a speedy and appropriate manner while expanding their scope every single time.

Put things in perspective; you can't even do math in your head in casinos, FFS! You telling me you can's sort the sheep from the goats???
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Old 01.03.2011, 13:01
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Consistency = predictability. If all airports around the world, or even the very same airports you flew out of, had the same checks every time for the same things in the same way, it make it much easier for potential harm-inflicting individuals to plan something.
Bollox. Consistency about removing something that is “dangerous”, like nail scissors, in one place but not another? The liquids ban in a joke. You can easily buy a large enough bottle in duty free to fill with whatever explosive you want and smuggle in smaller bottles through the individual bags. Get real. They are not random on purpose. They are random because it is an ad hoc situation and being run by a bunch of goons with security badges.

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Classic example: a toy gun, such as the one the OP had confiscated, sure doesn't LOOK like a real gun but is sufficiently large enough to actually contain a knife or some other type of weapon. Opening such a toy would be child's play (no pun intended ) and thus they deem such things as risk items.
You being serious about your toy gun example? Really? Hide something inside it? Ever heard of x-ray machines? If it is child’s play to open such a gun, then surely security could easily check.
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Re: Confiscated items at airport

I read somewhere that the average terrorist isn't very smart.

There are plenty of non-metallic knives out there and a clever person could concoct a potion out of several 100ml bottles of liquid that could explode or asphyxiate with relative ease.

I have to wonder if the stories in the media about toy guns and Transformer t-shirts aren't there to put the fear in the lower IQ sector of potential evil-doers. The smart ones will bypass checks with only rudimentarily James Bondish stuff.
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Re: Confiscated items at airport

I agree with the inconsitencies being my main bug bear. I've travelled from Basel to London several times with her. The last time really rattled my cage.

Picture the scene: It's 6am in the morning on a Saturday and there is a queue of about a mile of people stretching put behind us. Our flight is due to board in about 30 mins and travelling with a baby under 18 months I have been told to make sure I board first.

I'm tired and stressed as it is so imagine my delight when I am told not only to collapse the buggy (normal) but to take the wheels off . I'd already explained to them that they needed to stick it through the large items scanner (the pushchair was my big off roader as I was heading back to a significant amount of snow that my travel buggy would not manage) but they would not listen. 10 minutes later of fighting with the wheels whilst trying to keep the little one and the queue of (rightly so) angry mob behind me calm, they gave up and wheeled it to the big scanner.
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Simple fact is that anyone planning anything untoward would be more likely to be successful if flying UK bound, rather than from the UK. From which I can only conclude that people in Britain are all a bunch of terrorists.

I think what Mud says is right. A smart terrorist is likely to get on board with what they need. But a smart terrorist probably isn't over enamoured at the thought of killing themselves. A fanatic probably hasn't the right profile to be smart in the required way.
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Old 01.03.2011, 13:12
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Bollox. Consistency about removing something that is “dangerous”, like nail scissors, in one place but not another?
I think the security staff just confiscate something they fancy for themselves
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I read somewhere that the average terrorist isn't very smart.
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I have to wonder if the stories in the media about toy guns and Transformer t-shirts aren't there to put the fear in the lower IQ sector of potential evil-doers. The smart ones will bypass checks with only rudimentarily James Bondish stuff.
I genuinely think it is dangerous to think of these terrorists are not smart. They may not be “educated” and not all are going to be top of the pile in the IQ stakes, but they are clever enough to do a lot of damage. 9/11, London and Madrid attest to that.

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Simple fact is that anyone planning anything untoward would be more likely to be successful if flying UK bound, rather than from the UK. From which I can only conclude that people in Britain are all a bunch of terrorists.


Quite. Keep ‘em there, I say…
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Old 01.03.2011, 13:25
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Re: Confiscated items at airport

A freind of mine came from the US to Heathrow with shotgun cartriges in his pocket that he had forgotten about. Funilly enough they were not picked up by US security but were at Heathrow when going for his conecting flight. Yes he missed the flight (he was also interogated for several hours).

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