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Re: Questions about immigrating into Switzerland.

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From what I've read there's only one person on here who seems a bit paranoid.... I'll give you two guess.




I think you are confused about what country you want to live in. Perhaps you might like Germany better. They have Swiss cheese there.
You're talking about me.. I know, didn't even need two guesses. I consider myself more aware of my surroundings and the ugly truth that is the "world". Not paranoia.

Depending on how things may pan out, I might live in Bayern, and travel across the border to go work, if that is feasible. Since jobs and money earning seems poorer in Germany, than in the Swiss. According to my relatives and friends.. And let me guess, now someone here is going to throw a comment like "You don't make more money in the Swiss, than in Germany." hah..

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Yep, Switzerland is not generally the first choice option for wearing lederhosen or playing the accordion. And definitely not for chatting to the locals in German. You may be in for a bit of a shock there.

By the way, on the subject of languages, you missed one:



but don't worry about it. Hardly anyone else does.
I was exaggerating when I mentioned lederhosen and accordion, I don't even play that instrument, but my mother does. And if I want to wear lederhosen, I'd go to Oktoberfest in Munich, or elsewhere.

I know that the inhabitants that speak German with a Swiss dialect is 75% in Switzerland, and I can somewhat follow along with what is being said, granted I only speak high German. While French and Italian spoken is lower in %'s. So I don't think I will be in soo much a shock. And I do plan to in time adapt to the new dialect, won't take me too long. I can understand some low german and partial Dutch too. But if I were to go to Sweden, thats a different story.
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Old 01.05.2011, 03:02
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OK, looks like you picked up on most of what I was getting at in my post. Nice to see you have a sense of humour. The missing official language is Rumantsch/Romansh/etc, by the way. (Official, even though only a few thousand speak it. It even appears on Swiss paper currency.)

The point about being in for a shock re. German was not so much in jest. Swiss German varies massively from canton to canton (and even within cantons), to the extent that people in Basel can't even understand people from Wallis. Well, nobody can understand the "German" in Wallis, really. And most Swiss German dialects are quite different to Hochdeutsch.

Just a gentle note before someone jumps down your throat: the country is called "Switzerland". The people who are citizens of Switzerland are called "the Swiss".
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Re: Questions about immigrating into Switzerland.

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The missing official language is Rumantsch/Romansh/etc, by the way. (Official, even though only a few thousand speak it. It even appears on Swiss paper currency.)
Romansh is not an official language; it is one of the 4 national languages of Switzerland. There are 3 official languages in Switzerland - these are the languages that all of the laws etc must be translated into. So, for example, the Swiss Code of Obligations is available in German, French and Italian and all three versions are equally valid. It is also available in English but it has no legal validity. Perhaps it is also available in Romansh, I don't know, but regardless, it would still not be an "official" version of the law.
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Okay.. you guys really blew my inquiries about gun laws out of the water and all sounded quite pessimistic too, as if you are all more "anti-gun" type persons.

No, I am not some lunatic that has OCD with guns and wanting to pull the trigger. Gun laws may be strict here, but at least I can go practice at ranges and go hunting for game, etc.. And just be a collector for hobby.



I'm not paranoid, I'm just overly aware of the world and what really goes on in it. I'm not naive.



Sorry to burst your bubble.. but gun ownership and gun sport is bigger in the Swiss than it is in Canada. When it comes down to people being scared of guns and think they should all be banned, then think again. Guns don't kill people, its the person with the "intent" and finger that pulls the trigger. There are soo many more other devices or tools that can be used in place of a gun to commit massacres and crime. *sigh*



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OK OK, maybe I read it out of proportion. I am aware about the guns and I am not anti gun at all (although a but scared), but when I get the idea that someone just thinks about his guns and after that where he wants to live, in combi what just has happened in my birth town it sets me off (and I got my first groan YAY!). I guess I misunderstood your intentions then!

It is totally the person that does pull the trigger. In CH the crime rate is low and only the suicide by gun rate is higher then average (still much better then jumping in front of a train).

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It is totally the person that does pull the trigger. In CH the crime rate is low and only the suicide by gun rate is higher then average (still much better then jumping in front of a train).
Why is it better than jumping infront of a train? Is it the steadfast upholding of the pre-suicidal citizen that they do not make the Swiss train late at any cost?

OP I think it's just your priorities seem a little different to the majority on here perhaps...my main thoughts were job, tax, house, cost of living, schools, language, upheaval.

Even though my other half (British Army for 25 years) brought in a few CO2 guns and an air rifle, and we enjoy hunting, the last thing on our minds was a rootin' tootin' shootemup' and how many Baddies were out to get me and my x-box...

(Even though I lived in the arse-end of South London for 16 years, have been mugged, an intruder climb through my window, my car ripped apart and roof slashed 3 times for the stereo - it still wasn't at the top of my thoughts on a move to another country)

I'm afraid that paranoia is rubbing off from your neighbours and how they choose to report the news....a move back to this side might give you the balance back.

I would have thought also, from a loyalty perspective if you want citizenship in Switzerland then you can't really complain about doing service time can you? If you choose Switzerland as a place to call yourself a citizen and the benefits it brings then you choose the country with all it's faults also?
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Just a gentle note before someone jumps down your throat: the country is called "Switzerland". The people who are citizens of Switzerland are called "the Swiss".
God, thank you! I've never seen people come up with so many ridiculous names for a place than here - why!?

op guy, you're not getting a gun here - have you looked into the differences between "Swiss gun laws" and "people in Switzerland gun laws"? But aside from the official regulation, in practice, as a Swiss passport holder you can buy pretty much whatever (and several types don't even require a permit) as a foreigner... you'll have to jump through so many hoops to get your hands on a .22... and you'll get absolutely nothing with a permit any lower than a "C" - from what I've been told.

Foreign citizens being drafted into the armed forces of a country that is known utmost for its neutrality... Too many comments too slow fingers. Bottom line - no, never - you will never serve as anything in the swiss army.

And get ready for some discrimination! I would actually pay to see the first time you proudly tell a traditional Swiss that you're German, and want to work here while living in Germany, (naturally shopping, and deferring your earned francs into the german economy) to make the most of the economic environment! Please, if I can't come along, can you at least put it on youtube?
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Why is it better than jumping infront of a train? Is it the steadfast upholding of the pre-suicidal citizen that they do not make the Swiss train late at any cost?
Nope. Out of consideration for the poor bastard driving the train. They all need counselling afterwards and a significant number can't face returning to train driving.
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