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Old 02.05.2011, 22:25
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Mountain bike sold on English Forum - please help me to find the buyer and seller

Hello everyone,

A couple of weeks ago I had my bike stolen at stauffacher in Zürich, to my surprise a very similar bike with the very same problems was sold on English Forum a few days ago.
see: Nice Mens Bike

I tried to "buy" this bike or meet this ukal123 guy to verify if the mountain bike was really the one stolen from me but I didn't manage it.

So if you are the person who bought it, please contact me.

If you are ukal123 and know that the mountain bike is not stolen, please also contact me. If you have information on how I can contact ukal123 please let me know. I have seen that he traded Euros with some people on the forum. If you have his number, address or anything I would be grateful.

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Hello everyone,

A couple of weeks ago I had my bike stolen at stauffacher in Zürich, to my surprise a very similar bike with the very same problems was sold on English Forum a few days ago.
see: Nice Mens Bike

I tried to "buy" this bike or meet this ukal123 guy to verify if the mountain bike was really the one stolen from me but I didn't manage it.

So if you are the person who bought it, please contact me.

If you are ukal123 and know that the mountain bike is not stolen, please also contact me. If you have information on how I can contact ukal123 please let me know. I have seen that he traded Euros with some people on the forum. If you have his number, address or anything I would be grateful.

Thanks!!
Do you think it is appropriate to post accusing someone of selling stolen property?
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Old 03.05.2011, 00:00
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Do you think it is appropriate to post accusing someone of selling stolen property?
But I don't think the OP is. They are simply asking the seller or the vendor of the bike to get in touch. Indeed, it would appear from the ad for the bike that the vendor was selling it on behalf of a friend
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But I don't think the OP is. They are simply asking the seller or the vendor of the bike to get in touch. Indeed, it would appear from the ad for the bike that the vendor was selling it on behalf of a friend
It may or may not be true. But I think a PM would have been more appropriate than a slanderous post.

Do I think someone is stupid enough to steal a bike and then post it for sale? Yes. Do I think the person would admit to this? No.
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It may or may not be true. But I think a PM would have been more appropriate than a slanderous post.

Do I think someone is stupid enough to steal a bike and then post it for sale? Yes. Do I think the person would admit to this? No.
I don't think this post is slanderous. If you tell me where an accusation is in it, I can ask to edit it out. That was NOT the intention. The guy wants to find what he thinks is his bike.
Looking at it carefully, it could be that someone stole the bike and asked an innocent third person if they could perhaps sell it on 'that internet forum you are always on about'. Lots of people sell things for others on here. The second person says OK having no idea that it is stolen. Puts it on here and the previous owner sees it. It could be that a whole trail of people, innocent people, were involved.
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Common sense prevails....contact the Police.
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Old 03.05.2011, 07:51
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Common sense prevails....
I hope the poster has contacted the police but common sense tells me that the police haven't nearly as much interest in finding someone's bike as that 'someone'.
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It may or may not be true. But I think a PM would have been more appropriate than a slanderous post.
How can a PM be sent to someone that is not known? Arent they trying to find the person who brought it?
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Does it come with a lock and helmet?
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It may or may not be true. But I think a PM would have been more appropriate than a slanderous post.

Do I think someone is stupid enough to steal a bike and then post it for sale? Yes. Do I think the person would admit to this? No.
I'm sorry Mrs. D, I think you may have read and called this wrong.
I read this as an attempt by someone who has lost something of value, and then believes he may have come across same, being offered for sale, and is trying to establish (maybe in vain hope), whether it is or not his stolen bike, or eliminate those who come forward from his enquiries.

Having looked at the threads started by the "seller", I can't help but see why the OP may have a point. There does seem to be an above average (imo) of Delboy Trotter wheeling-and-dealing, with a bit of Harry Enfield's Loadsamoney thrown in to boot. Of such types, I have known a few in my time, and can see possible familiarities.

It could all turn out to be genuine and quite innocent, and I can't foresee a happy outcome - for the OP or new "owner" - as someone is and will ultimately be out of pocket.

But the OP has an element of doubt, so he's trying to find the "truth" (albeit, possibly futilely), with this course of action.

I just hope it doesn't end in tears.

P.S. Someone's met him - may even know where he lives.
http://www.englishforum.ch/sale-want...-euro-chf.html

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Hello everyone,

A couple of weeks ago I had my bike stolen at stauffacher in Zürich, to my surprise a very similar bike with the very same problems was sold on English Forum a few days ago.
see: Nice Mens Bike

I tried to "buy" this bike or meet this ukal123 guy to verify if the mountain bike was really the one stolen from me but I didn't manage it.

So if you are the person who bought it, please contact me.

If you are ukal123 and know that the mountain bike is not stolen, please also contact me. If you have information on how I can contact ukal123 please let me know. I have seen that he traded Euros with some people on the forum. If you have his number, address or anything I would be grateful.

Thanks!!

OP. Why don't you just send a PM to ukal123 to ask him about this?
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Old 03.05.2011, 08:59
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I'm sorry Mrs. D, I think you may have read and called this wrong.
Well if I wanted to find out who bought what I thought might be my stolen bike, I wouldn't go about it this way.

A stolen bike should be reported to the police immediately. It is always good to record the frame number so you can identify your bike right away should it turn up again. The vignette can be pulled off easily and is therefore not a means of identification.

Many bikes may look the same.

To the OP, I hope the person who bought the bike comes forward but I just want to know how you will prove this bike is yours?
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Old 03.05.2011, 09:00
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - please help me to find the buyer and seller

Thanks for all the replies.

Just some clarifications. I did send a lot of PM's I tried to meet ukal123 and send PM asking people if they had bought it.

I think a simple check via PM can be performed, where the buyer can check the numbers on the bike. This is a mountain bike from UK not so common here in Switzerland and Zürich is very small, If I see this model in Zürich I will kindly ask the rider for some verification. Regardless if he bought it in EF, Ebay or Argos.

So I think that even if the buyer or seller don't want get in contact they ought to be aware of the situation.

And this may also apply for other people buying bicycles online, make sure you get enough information from the buyer.

I personally don't have much hope, let's see.

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How can a PM be sent to someone that is not known? Arent they trying to find the person who brought it?
I meant a PM to the seller, not the unknown buyer.
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I meant a PM to the seller, not the unknown buyer.
If the seller is selling something he knew to be stolen property, he would ignore pm's. But if an unsuspecting unknown buyer sees a thread like this, it is quite likely he will come forward and help the OP.

And just because you can't identify your own bike doesn't mean no one can identify theirs

But anyway, thanks for bumping this thread with your critical posts, I wouldn't have seen this thread otherwise
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - please help me to find the buyer and seller

As for identifying bikes - don't forget you can write your name or your postcode on your bike in UV pen, which can only be seen under a UV light. I scribbled all over mine...
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All the bikes I've ever had had a number on the frame (mostly in some idiotic place and I would have had to clean the bike to read it ) and this number was noted on the receipt from whoever sold me the bike and I always wrote it down on the 'other half' of the vignette.

In the old days, the police had a note of it too and if your bike was 'discovered abandoned' you might get a call from the police to tell you where to collect it.
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All the bikes I've ever had had a number on the frame (mostly in some idiotic place and I would have had to clean the bike to read it ) and this number was noted on the receipt from whoever sold me the bike and I always wrote it down on the 'other half' of the vignette.

In the old days, the police had a note of it too and if your bike was 'discovered abandoned' you might get a call from the police to tell you where to collect it.
Often/normally/should be on the underside of the hub for the shaft that connects the two pedals, at the bottom of the frame.
Will need to turn the bike over and stand on handle bars and saddle, to read (after cleaning, as it's tool stamped into the metal, and the number grooves will be full of grit).
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As for identifying bikes - don't forget you can write your name or your postcode on your bike in UV pen, which can only be seen under a UV light. I scribbled all over mine...
Whenever I buy a stolen bike I normally try to cover all of the visible areas with loads of UV pen, just to hide any trace of who it might belong to.

Then I solder my postcode into the frame.
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