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Old 06.05.2011, 09:35
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hang on, didn't the ad say selling for a 'friend'?

so you bought a stolen bike and sold it on for a profit eh?

shame you got caught out.
Just what I was thinking! The original ad for the bike read:

Someone asked me to sell his bike for him, so since it needs some work put into it hes giving it away for so cheap.

I think the back breaks needs some sorting out and the front wheel also needs some taken care of, otherwise it looks like a real nice piece has 8 gears on one side and 3 on the other. I think the bake uses oil brakes. Has to be picked up in Zürich

150 CHf


Something does not smell right about this whole story ... apart from anything else, who would give cash to a stranger on the street for a damaged bike?
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Old 06.05.2011, 09:39
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hang on, didn't the ad say selling for a 'friend'?

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So, in the same way, the ties that are also for sale may not actually have been a gift as stated.
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Old 06.05.2011, 09:46
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

so ukal123 gets lots of high value 'gifts' (ties, watches, laptops etc) and then sells then on here. Sorry but its far too fishy, who buys 2 watches just to get a small discount, who gets 2 very expensive ties as gifts, who buys an expensive laptop then sells it 2 weeks later because its too big??

Having owned a company that bought 2nd hand goods I can tell you the sort of person who has this kind of good fortune, but it would get me a ban lol
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Old 06.05.2011, 09:46
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So, in the same way, the ties that are also for sale may not actually have been a gift as stated.
Isn't him who wants to start in the diamond business?
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Old 06.05.2011, 09:49
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so ukal123 gets lots of high value 'gifts' (ties, watches, laptops etc) and then sells then on here. Sorry but its far too fishy, who buys 2 watches just to get a small discount, who gets 2 very expensive ties as gifts, who buys an expensive laptop then sells it 2 weeks later because its too big??

Having owned a company that bought 2nd hand goods I can tell you the sort of person who has this kind of good fortune, but it would get me a ban lol
Exactly - do people here really think that we were born yesterday?
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

Guys, if you think i go around stealing bikes at night, listening them on online forums, then during the day go to Bahnhofstrasse and steal some ties from Hermes list them on the market place, then steal some diamonds from the basel messe and offer them online go to some watch store take a watch without paying list it again, then yeah, im sorry i wont be able to change you mind.

The people on this forum who have met me in person might be able to think otherwise, but if i would be walking around with bolt cutters a 300 pounds bike with broken wheels and back brakes that need work done would not be my first pick.

I def. am looking out for the guy i bought the bike off, so keep on looking out on the market place for sale, "corpse"
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Old 06.05.2011, 09:52
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Guys, if you think i go around stealing bikes at night, listening them on online forums, then during the day go to Bahnhofstrasse and steal some ties from Hermes list them on the market place, then steal some diamonds from the basel messe and offer them online go to some watch store take a watch without paying list it again, then yeah, im sorry i wont be able to change you mind.

The people on this forum who have met me in person might be able to think otherwise, but if i would be walking around with bolt cutters a 300 pounds bike with broken wheels and back brakes that need work done would not be my first pick.

I def. am looking out for the guy i bought the bike off, so keep on looking out on the market place for sale, "corpse"
No one's said you are stealing anything.
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Old 06.05.2011, 10:00
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

Let's just give the guy a break eh?

Besides I'm looking for a cheap set of Mizunos....
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

so what, i have a tree that grows this sort of stuff in my back garden or what ?

I might be what you call a wheeler dealer, but i am def. not a thief, like i mentiond in previous post, i myself had 3 bikes stolen and remember like yesterday walking outside and seeing it gone, panicking running around trying to find it, checking every back yard in the neighbourhood, its a terrible feeling and i wouldn't want anyone to go through it, i am not going to try and convince members of this forum that i really enjoy surfing that i my intentions are not at all Illegal or that i would never cause anyone financial harm, but rather just like buying selling stuff, the same way as i love trading stocks, selling a diamond there and there and all other such stuff of this kind, and when i see a good deal on the street knowing that other people are looking for a bike then yeah i would go out of my way to help others but next time only with a receipt...
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Old 06.05.2011, 10:04
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

In all fairness to the seller, I believe that he stated that he was selling it for someone....

The EF ad should have read:

Hello all EF members, isn't the weather just lovely... Are you looking for a bike to enjoy it on? I have just the bike for you at STEAL! A guy approached me the other day selling this way cool UK bike. He was asking only 130chf! Now, me being the business man that I am, I did my homework and realised that this bike was a bargain(stolen) So I took it off his hands to resell it to someone here on EF who could care less whether it was stolen or not... I am selling it for 150chf.

Please PM for secret location..

P.S. Can only be ridden at night!
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Old 06.05.2011, 10:05
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Old 06.05.2011, 10:05
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EF people - always ask for receipts/proof pf purchase when buying something big. Absense of the accessories, manual, original packing ect would seem fishy to me and I wouldn't want the stuff taken from me for being stolen goods after I had paid my hard earned money for it.



I have bought a bike from EF member without any receipts so to say. The American owner has already left the country.
If we sell it, we will again not be able to prove it is not a stolen one!
Asking for a manual/packaging for a second or third hand bike is also not practical.
Well the incident has really stirred some thoughts, how many of us make sure that the stuff we buy is legit?
Some cheap items could simply be “grey" market goods, Had it made a difference, if the whole episode did not involve ‘EF’ and its members?
Anyway it got me thinking, how often do we do checks in our personal capacity?

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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

To all sceptics in this thread....

I'm actually quite peeved by some of the responses here, what is the matter with you lot? This is a positive success story for EF.

I've known many people who have purchased cars that have had problems from what seems a genuine source including one motor with all the documents from a local reputable garage and what turned out to be an altered chassis plate.

I like to believe that human nature means that there's good in everyone and for the majority of people they just don't go out of their way to do these sort of things.

The member that sold the bike I see as a bit of a wheeler dealer and that's fine I have many friends who are similar. They can be extremely resourceful and useful individuals. Sometimes in their eagerness to grab a bargain and make some cash the rose tinted spectacles are on. I suggest he approaches the plods with a description.

To me the story is believable if not a bit gullable (should have checked but they know this and I doubt it will happen again! Especially being out of pocket which must hurt a little)

We all make mistakes and no one is perfect. Give the guy a break.

What's important is that the original owner can enjoy the sunshine at the weekend on their bike.

I am will to help with the repairs if required to get the bike back into a usable state. If that help is needed.

(Rather than bitch and moan do something positive)
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Old 06.05.2011, 10:10
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I have bought a bike from EF member without any receipts so to say. The American owner has already left the country.
If we sell it, we will again not be able to prove it is not a stolen one!
Asking for a manual/packaging for a second or third hand bike is also not practical.
Well the incident has really stirred some thoughts, how many of us make sure that the stuff we buy is legit?
Some cheap items could simply be “grey" market goods, Had it made a difference, if the whole episode did not involve ‘EF’ and its members?
Anyway it got me thinking, how often do we do checks in our personal capacity?

You won't get a shop receipt but what you should ask for is a hand-written note with the seller's name and address, a description of the bike and the price paid, and get them to sign it. If they won't do this then walk away.
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Old 06.05.2011, 10:10
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so what, i have a tree that grows this sort of stuff in my back garden or what ?

I might be what you call a wheeler dealer, but i am def. not a thief, like i mentiond in previous post, i myself had 3 bikes stolen and remember like yesterday walking outside and seeing it gone, panicking running around trying to find it, checking every back yard in the neighbourhood, its a terrible feeling and i wouldn't want anyone to go through it, i am not going to try and convince members of this forum that i really enjoy surfing that i my intentions are not at all Illegal or that i would never cause anyone financial harm, but rather just like buying selling stuff, the same way as i love trading stocks, selling a diamond there and there and all other such stuff of this kind, and when i see a good deal on the street knowing that other people are looking for a bike then yeah i would go out of my way to help others but next time only with a receipt...
That's as maybe, but you haven't done your credibility any good on here ...
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

I didn't revive this in order to create a character assassination - although members are obviously free to make their own assumptions and write what they please (until a mod deems otherwise) - but you (ukal123) have to appreciate two things that are apparent to an outsider who has never met you (those that have written that they have, stated that you seemed an OK bloke - but I don't know them either):

1) Your account in this particular matter seems to have a few holes and inconsistencies;
2) For a 21 year old "student" your list of started threads makes interesting reading: see here, and maybe doesn't ring true to others who are or have been students. (e.g.)

So it is understandable the reaction that is being exhibited here.

But it is also good to see that at least you too are prepared to comment.
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Old 06.05.2011, 10:11
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I might be what you call a wheeler dealer,

And I never said you where anything other then that, give one product in exchange for another

trying to say you bought this or that and no longer need it / want it, selling for a friend, gifts etc is total bullshit you're receiving stolen goods (one way or another) and selling them on, you seriously think anyone believes someone gave you 2 hermes ties as gifts??
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Old 06.05.2011, 10:14
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

I don't think it's so strange to 'invent' a little backstory to help sell something.

In the past I've bought box-lots of goods to get one thing I wanted and in one case ended up with a very nice, new, luxury brand watch in the mix. Should I have said "I got this watch essentially for free and need the money more than the watch, so I'm selling at half of new for 4000 bucks for a tidy profit of 4000 bucks". NO ONE would buy it. Just for the emotional reason of not wanting to make my day. So I say nothing of its background, or if one is curious (and this thread proves that we all are), then make up some little story. Selling it for a friend. Who cares?

That the seller in this case made good, through a fair bit of time and effort on his part, and is being open about it on the forum, and he's still being a good sport about things while being raked over the coals shows to me that he's someone worth dealing with. If he's a wheeler-dealer then why is that an issue? I would have gladly bought something from Del Boy in real life too, maybe I'm just a seedy low life and can't comprehend the virtuous around me .
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To me the story is believable if not a bit gullable (should have checked but they know this and I doubt it will happen again! Especially being out of pocket which must hurt a little)

We all make mistakes and no one is perfect. Give the guy a break.

What's important is that the original owner can enjoy the sunshine at the weekend on their bike.

And that the real thief who caused all those troubles is reported to the police.


I am will to help with the repairs if required to get the bike back into a usable state. If that help is needed.

(Rather than bitch and moan do something positive)
Please go to police station, fill stolen report, provide description, insist to get fingerprints taken from bike frame, etc....

Instead of posting on forums how you got scammed and how sorry you are!!!

PS: As the OP said, he can alternatively track the thief back, break his legs, throw him in the river, a bit "batman style". That's just the fast legal way.
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