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I didn't revive this in order to create a character assassination - although members are obviously free to make their own assumptions and write what they please (until a mod deems otherwise) - but you (ukal123) have to appreciate two things that are apparent to an outsider who has never met you (those that have written that they have, stated that you seemed an OK bloke - but I don't know them either):

1) Your account in this particular matter seems to have a few holes and inconsistencies;
2) For a 21 year old "student" your list of started threads makes interesting reading: see here, and maybe doesn't ring true to others who are or have been students. (e.g.)

So it is understandable the reaction that is being exhibited here.

But it is also good to see that at least you too are prepared to comment.
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Old 06.05.2011, 11:20
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I thought you were.
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Please go to police station, fill stolen report, provide description, insist to get fingerprints taken from bike frame, etc....

Instead of posting on forums how you got scammed and how sorry you are!!!

PS: As the OP said, he can alternatively track the thief back, break his legs, throw him in the river, a bit "batman style". That's just the fast legal way.
The important bit if you'd missed it is, regardless of the method; the bike is in the hands of the original owner.

Depends if he values his permit, I'm 187cm 90+kg I can handle myself, but the first place I would go would be a police station.

Switzerland is no place for vigilante justice. US/UK yes, CH No.

As nothing happens here the police are more than happy to investigate these things.
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Old 06.05.2011, 11:20
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

Regarding the bike: He's either incredibly naive in passing the bike on (which doesn't fit with catalyst's profile of him as a wheeler-dealer), or he had a bit of an idea that the bike may not have actually lawfully belonged to the original seller in the street.

If it's the first then I suggest he gives up his 'wheeler-dealing' before it gets him in serious trouble. He's not very good at it.

No comment on the second.
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Old 06.05.2011, 11:22
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Regarding the bike: He's either incredibly naive in passing the bike on (which doesn't fit with catalyst's profile of him as a wheeler-dealer), or he had a bit of an idea that the bike may not have actually lawfully belonged to the original seller in the street.

If it's the first then I suggest he gives up his 'wheeler-dealing' before it gets him in serious trouble. He's not very good at it.

No comment on the second.
He could be a bit of both (?) - don't forget, he googled the make and model of the bike to make sure that he was getting it for a good price!
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

Is it so far fetched that someone wants to sell a bike that cost new 300 pound and now is second hand needs work done to it, and claimes to have a new one for 150 CHf ??

Its not like it was a 2000 CHf scott gambler or who knows what, that he was flogging for 350 CHf.
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Old 06.05.2011, 11:24
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or maybe




Lighten the mood a bit
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Old 06.05.2011, 11:26
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

However you want to look at this - The story ends well

The OP is still 130chf out of pocket and didn't have to do anything about it, but did.

If he's as dodgey as you all reckon he is....... why did he bother to give the bike back to the rightful owner?


Everyone makes mistakes, but it's how you go about correcting them that shows a little more about someone's character.


If anything, this thread is a lesson to us all about not being so naive about our second hand purchases.
(we've all been to flea markets etc, and bought things without interogating every secondhand purchase we make)


I'm just glad to see the bike get back to the rightful owner without too much grief. That's a rare story in itself.
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

I don't think that anyone needs to come to ukal123 defense. It looks to me like this incident as done him some good.. He has a green blob now and seems to have become very well known in the last few days..
Now, if he is a smart business man he will capitalize off his new found notoriety we on EF have bestowed upon him.

Just remember to bring your "A" game here on the EF!

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Old 06.05.2011, 11:27
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Is it so far fetched that someone wants to sell a bike that cost new 300 pound and now is second hand needs work done to it, and claimes to have a new one for 150 CHf ??

Its not like it was a 2000 CHf scott gambler or who knows what, that he was flogging for 350 CHf.
You're defending yourself (and the seller) a little bit strongly.

Mate - here's a bit of advice:

If someone comes up to you in the street, or in a bar or pub and tries to sell you anything then it's probably not legitimate. OK?
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Old 06.05.2011, 11:27
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

Hi, Jack-

Anyone want to buy a Jaeger LeCoultre Reverso for 3000 smackers? Backstory on request.
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He has a green blob now
Who says crime doesn't pay?? (joke)
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

You selling one of them next?

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Old 06.05.2011, 11:33
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Its not like it was a 2000 CHf scott gambler or who knows what, that he was flogging for 350 CHf.
It is not about what it is sold, it is more in which way...

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However you want to look at this - The story ends well

The OP is still 130chf out of pocket and didn't have to do anything about it, but did.

If he's as dodgey as you all reckon he is....... why did he bother to give the bike back to the rightful owner?


Everyone makes mistakes, but it's how you go about correcting them that shows a little more about someone's character.


If anything, this thread is a lesson to us all about not being so naive about our second hand purchases.
(we've all been to flea markets etc, and bought things without interogating every secondhand purchase we make)


I'm just glad to see the bike get back to the rightful owner without too much grief. That's a rare story in itself.
You are right. But, lets assume the OP sold stuff to other people on the forum. Those people could step in and give information about the OP that would help someone to find him. By giving back the bike right away, this avoid him to have the police involve and asking too much questions.

Again, call me Thomas. I believe Osama is dead but I don't believe this story.

It won't matter anyway what I believe or not. It is up to people to make up their own opinion based of what we know on this forum about the OP and the story.

If he is innocent, hopefully he learned a valuable lesson from this.
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I gave him the blob for having the balls to put up with you lot.
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

i most definitely am trying to defend my self to a certain extent and think i have full right to, I am not saying I didnt act foolish by not asking him for id and taking a photocopy of it or calling the police and ask them to run the Rahmennummer to check if its been reported stolen, but like i wrote, a guy seeing me outside my house cleaning a bike which obviously means I am into bicycle riding, offering me a damaged second hand bike for a reasonable price is again not so far fetched, i probs could have made a fuss and told the buyer im only giving him part of the money back and asking the seller to pay a little towards it, but no, i made myself responsible for what happened and took a loss...
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i most definitely am trying to defend my self to a certain extent and think i have full right to, I am not saying I didnt act foolish by not asking him for id and taking a photocopy of it or calling the police and ask them to run the Rahmennummer to check if its been reported stolen, but like i wrote, a guy seeing me outside my house cleaning a bike which obviously means I am into bicycle riding, offering me a damaged second hand bike for a reasonable price is again not so far fetched, i probs could have made a fuss and told the buyer im only giving him part of the money back and asking the seller to pay a little towards it, but no, i made myself responsible for what happened and took a loss...
In the interests of trying to recover some of your loses, I assume that you have been to the Police to report the original seller?

It is your civic duty, by the way.
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

2 greenies now, and counting - if only real life was that simple.

However, as a child, I always felt the story of the Prodigal Son, lacked realism and justice.

[oops - that's the second biblical reference in this thread]
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In the interests of trying to recover some of your loses, I assume that you have been to the Police to report the original seller?

It is your civic duty, by the way.
Finally agreed with something you've posted, happy days!
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i most definitely am trying to defend my self to a certain extent and think i have full right to, I am not saying I didnt act foolish by not asking him for id and taking a photocopy of it or calling the police and ask them to run the Rahmennummer to check if its been reported stolen, but like i wrote, a guy seeing me outside my house cleaning a bike which obviously means I am into bicycle riding, offering me a damaged second hand bike for a reasonable price is again not so far fetched, i probs could have made a fuss and told the buyer im only giving him part of the money back and asking the seller to pay a little towards it, but no, i made myself responsible for what happened and took a loss...
But, of course you have to take the loss.

Someone you don't know comes to you and offer you a bike because he sees you cleaning your bike.

You buy his bike while not knowing anything about him. You never saw the guy, he comes out from nowhere with a: Pssst, I have this bike, do you want it, very good price! And stupidly, you buy it thinking: Great, I'll do a 20 chf on it by selling it on EF.

And you got caught on it since the owner saw your add (How small the world can be, it always amaze me...) How someone would ever expect that?

And you want to point out how good guy you are for taking the loss on you?
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