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Old 05.05.2011, 20:51
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Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

Ref. this thread: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - please help me to find the buyer and seller

and this post today from Longbyt:

"The two parties, ukal123 and lssilva have been in contact with each other. They have come to an agreement. The bike is safely back in the hands of the original, rightful owner. Hopefully, the bike is also safely locked up and bearing a new vignette."

I, probably like others who followed this and contributed, appreciate the update, but, I'm sorry, you can't throw this into the mix and keep the thread closed - there are too many wundernase's amongst us, I'm sure.

Many questions to be answered and reputations to be maintained/upheld.

- what were the circumstances?
- how was one in a position to sell a bike that was not legitimately acquired?
- what bribes took place or deals made?
- were there fisticuffs or police handcuffs involved?
- should we keep an eye open for certain items offered on the market place?

[just thinking out loud]
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Old 05.05.2011, 21:54
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

It is interesting, as the seller says if only he had been contacted first, whereas the original owner of the bike says that he'd tried PMs and got no reply.

At the end of the day/thread the right person has the bike, but what transpired in the middle ... I want to know*

* Just make it up if you don't know; it's the story that I'm interested in, not the facts, as the actual reality doesn't concern me.
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

Hi TiMow and everyone else who followed the thread

all these questions are hundred percent legitimate to ask and i fully understand any doubt that any of the members of this forum have.

Let me try and answer all the questions mentioned above, which either the buyer or legitimate owner (the one who got his bike stolen) can confirm.

A normal looking guy approached me outside my house whiles i was cleaning MY bike from the uetliberg trip earlier that afternoon, anf offered me his bike claiming he had another one and since this one was damaged he would give it to me for cheap. (130CHf) after being sceptical (thought it might be stolen) I googled the brand of the bike on my phone seeing that it only cost round 300pounds new, it made sense that the same bike damaged would cost round the price he was asking for it. Knowing that loads of ppl on ef are always looking for bikes i decided to take it off him and sell it for an extra 20 chf to cover my inconvenience and phone calls.

After getting quite some interest in the advert i sold it to a member on EF for the requested price.

The next day i noticed the thread started by lssilva claiming that this might be his bike.

I immediately contacted him and arranged to meet him later that afternoon to figure out if it really was his, how what and when.
The buyer whos name i will keep anonymous till he feels like commenting, was travelling that day, so was unable to check the Rahmen nr and see if it really was the one that was stolen of lssilva.

Wanting to sort this illegal matter ASAP i kept in close contact with either parties and picked up the bike as soon as possible, knowing that it was a fault of my own buying something on the street without proof of purchase or receipt i gave him back the 150CHf and drove the bike till the other side of town were i met the rightful owner of the bike apologised for the inconvenience and handed him at last his nice mens bike back.

I would like to use this opportunity to apologise again to Issilva for being involved in this story. I myself have had a few bikes stolen in Zürich and know what it feels like walking out of the house (in this case Cinema) and seeing ones bike which one often depends on "GONE".

I hope and wish to all of you that none of the ef. members ever experience this feeling.

Hope this post has helped answer all the questions you have.
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Old 05.05.2011, 22:36
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

Thanks ukal123 - that's a great update. One comment (as you're out of pocket by 130 CHF) - did the original owner have and claim off his insurance? I'm assuming not, but you never know.
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

Thanks for being thoughtful, I indeed am out of pocket 130 CHf, i do have to accept it as it was a negligence on my behalf but wont turn down any donations i guess Issilva must also be out of pocket by some amount since his lock was cut open so... im sure he would also not turn down a ef charity fund to support this...
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

I have to say I think this clear and thoughtful explanation certainly TIES it all up!

Boom boom!
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Old 05.05.2011, 22:53
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I have to say I think this clear and thoughtful explanation certainly TIES it all up!

Boom boom!
Clear like a diamond...
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

Unbelievable story
but happy that owner got his bike back!
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Old 05.05.2011, 23:02
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I have to say I think this clear and thoughtful explanation certainly TIES it all up!

Boom boom!
Sorry to deflate your ego but I tyre of your jokes. What comes around goes around. Maybe I spoke too soon, but it grinds my gears.
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Unbelievable story
I-n-d-e-e-d
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

I ain't buying it...and I don't mean the Bike.
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Old 06.05.2011, 08:45
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

Thanks ukal123 for responding and standing up to be counted.
Your account has been met with a variety of views, which is understandable, but it attempts to tie up some of the loose ends, that we were all keen to know (nosey bar stewards).

Readers will obviously make their own minds up and will have their own opinions, but as far as I'm concerned, it has satisfied my curiosity, to a degree, from at least one side of the story.
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I ain't buying it...and I don't mean the Bike.
I am with you on this one..

In the original post to sell the bike it was written, "Someone asked me to sell his bike for him, so since it needs some work put into it hes giving it away for so cheap."
In the explanation given it is written, "A normal looking guy approached me outside my house whiles i was cleaning MY bike from the uetliberg trip earlier that afternoon, anf offered me his bike claiming he had another one and since this one was damaged he would give it to me for cheap. (130CHf) after being sceptical (thought it might be stolen) I googled the brand of the bike on my phone seeing that it only cost round 300pounds new, it made sense that the same bike damaged would cost round the price he was asking for it. Knowing that loads of ppl on ef are always looking for bikes i decided to take it off him and sell it for an extra 20 chf to cover my inconvenience and phone calls." In no place did I read a reference to selling the bike for someone...I understand it as someone selling a bike and someone buying a bike to resale for a profit(20chf?)

Where I come from I've heard and seen it all, so after re-reading both post, in my opinion, something doesn't add up.

I am glad that the OP whom was asking for help to find their bike spoke up and didn't remain silent. If they had of remained silent and listened to the advice of some who thought that they were being to outspoken, they would probably be without their bike today. I know that if something is stolen from me, I will do everything within my power to procure it's return. And, if that means going on a public forum and stating that I think that my bike, that was stolen, was sold on that forum and that I want my Sh.. back, then so be it!

I am sure that the bike's rightful owner is glad to see that the EF gang had their back on this one...

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Old 06.05.2011, 09:26
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Thanks ukal123 for responding and standing up to be counted.
Your account has been met with a variety of views, which is understandable, but it attempts to tie up some of the loose ends, that we were all keen to know (nosey bar stewards).

Readers will obviously make their own minds up and will have their own opinions, but as far as I'm concerned, it has satisfied my curiosity, to a degree, from at least one side of the story.
Indeed and it shows the power of the thread and forum... It's just lucky ukal123 saw the thread and could post and then all dialogue started; I still think the Mods should have got involved far earlier and brought it to his attention....

Thanks TiMow for starting a "continuation" on this 'tho, I must admit I was very curious *twitches curtain to see what neighbour is doing to that rose tie trellis as he leaves the house*
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

The seller even admitted that they knew the bikes cost £300 and were from England, so they had looked them up and saw that the English forum would be the only place to resell them. All that research and effort for CHF 20 profit.

EF people - always ask for receipts/proof pf purchase when buying something big. Absense of the accessories, manual, original packing ect would seem fishy to me and I wouldn't want the stuff taken from me for being stolen goods after I had paid my hard earned money for it.

BTW Anyone know a good lock to ensure my bike and trailer don't go walkabout? Are there really people out there carrying around bolt cutters or are some locks unbreakable and others aren't? I have Kryptonite locks now, but the all-black ones.
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

Yeah awesome reaction BUT:

Basically the thief got 130chf and no problems.


You haven't take any pictures of the guy or reported to the police or taken his prints in the bike, etc....


And also you've been pretty gullible.


So yeah you suffered financial lost, and you made it nice for the person stolen.
But you could have been much further to catch the guy rather than "recovering the damages".

I hate bike thief!!!!
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The seller even admitted that they knew the bikes cost £300 and were from England, so they had looked them up and saw that the English forum would be the only place to resell them. All that research and effort for CHF 20 profit.

EF people - always ask for receipts/proof pf purchase when buying something big. Absense of the accessories, manual, original packing ect would seem fishy to me and I wouldn't want the stuff taken from me for being stolen goods after I had paid my hard earned money for it.

BTW Anyone know a good lock to ensure my bike and trailer don't go walkabout? Are there really people out there carrying around bolt cutters or are some locks unbreakable and others aren't? I have Kryptonite locks now, but the all-black ones.
Watch out if you don't have the "round key" ones... (google it)
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

I don't believe the OP. He is been going around the forum since the beginning trying to make a buck here and there on everything he has or can get. Call me Thomas but it sounds fishy to me and I wouldn't leave my crips bag with him for a second...

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I don't believe the OP. He is been going around the forum since the beginning trying to make a buck here and there on everything he has or can get. Call me Thomas but it sounds fishy to me and I wouldn't leave my crips bag with him for a second...

Actually we are not detectives. But would be good if he/she goes to the police station to report the thief, provide description, etc...
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Re: Mountain bike sold on English Forum - etc. ..... QUESTIONS?

hang on, didn't the ad say selling for a 'friend'?

so you bought a stolen bike and sold it on for a profit eh?

shame you got caught out.
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