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Old 04.06.2011, 12:30
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Just want to reinforce this point. I made the mistake of bringing up Belgian politics with a young Flemish guy - I was just curious about the rift between the Flemish and the Walloons. I came off as rude and prying, and I sensed his discomfort. That night needed a lot of wine and discussion of more neutral subjects to repair that damage.
Erm... Not sure I can believe I'm saying this but perhaps now we know how Pashosh feels when every man and his dog offers a critical insight into his home politics. Just sayin...
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Re: Where are the Americans in Switzerland?

Thanks Man... I've traveled through Texas last year for about 3 weeks... Loooved it.

And to clear things up: Im not only loving the southern part of the US, my brother lives in San Diego CA and i also love it there... I just connect better with the people from the country than from the big cities... But thats just me. I also don't like to stay in sweaty shitty clubs here in Zurich, i like it more in bars out in the country where people still talk to each other...

Maan, looks like i've started some real discussion... Crazy!! :-)
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Old 04.06.2011, 12:41
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Exactly. I'm pretty confident the folks in tin shacks, starving in Appalachia would rather be pretty much anywhere else but there. Going on holiday somewhere, even regularly, isn't the same as getting up in the morning, going to work in the local economy, sending your kids to local schools etc. Line dancing is great, but it ain't Texas (somebody from Houston said that to me once, I thought it was cool)
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ps: Eco, I've spent a good portion of my life in Kentucky...The Appalachians are a moutain range and therefore, people who tend to live there are known as hillbillies not rednecks...there is a fine difference. If you watch Deliverance (with Burt Reynolds) you'll understand.
Yeah it was an example, and you went to university there for 3 years, not a good portion of anything, silly noodle. I was Off Topic thank you very much.
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Old 04.06.2011, 12:44
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Best intro ever.

I think I'm a Red Neck, although British born and bred but I do at least meet Americans almost every day. Good luck in your search to meet some real Red Necks.
Ha, grumpy, you are only sorta a redneck--a little too refined (with all your cheese-selling).

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I have awesome swiss friends, but i just also need more contact to US people who have "kind of" the same views as myself... Now i always have to drag my friends to Country Concerts, to watch football or the US Elections and to hear that crazy us fanatic stuff coming out of my mouth, would be easier though for Americans to handle that...
You don't have to be a redneck to love country music and football. I am a crazy football-loving country-music listening American but could never be classified as a redneck. You are more than welcome to come and hang out with me sometime. Do you play pool?

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You want to find a redneck American in Switzerland?! Dude, good luck because all the f--king rednecks I grew up with are right about where I left them...
True, true. A true redneck wouldn't venture out into the big bad world. full stop.

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I'm a liberal Democrat and a redneck. As an American who was raised on a ranch in Texas, I can claim the title "redneck" with some authenticity. And, yes, I drive a pickup truck in the US, listen to country and roots music and marched in the streets of Dallas against Ronald Reagan. ...The thing I love about Europe is tolerance for the points of view of others . . . something I wish we had more of in the US. My vote for best song would be "Let it be" . . .
Ahh, memories of living in Texas. Awesome.

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...I just wrote it so specifically because i want to meet Americans that like their Homeland, because it wouldn't make sense for me if not. I want to meet Americans who i can share the news, country-music, and other "positive" things about America.
I don't want to meet people where i have to defend my views and talk about politics the whole time... I've met some Americans here and they moved to Switzerland because they thought the US sucks balls, and im not interested in such relationshisps...
There are plenty of us here who love where we come from (as Sky and others have already pointed out). I am giving you an open invitation--I organize events, usually one a month or so, and you should come join us. We usually have several Americans (of all backgrounds) attending. Keep an eye on the Social Calendar and also look for places like Pot Belly's in Adliswil to have football on during the fall season. I met all sorts of crazy football fans this way.
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Re: Where are the Americans in Switzerland?

Thumbs up OP. You probably know a hell of a lot more about the USA than the posters here give you credit for. I'm part 'redneck', with my dad's entire family spread across Texas. I wish I shared your love of country music (my Mexican American wife loves it, I can't stand it) but I certainly share your love of my homeland. I've lived in or visited pretty much every major region, and the more I get to know it, the more I love it, warts and all.

Practically speaking, you might be better off looking north, where the military bases are in DE...most US folks here are either finance/accounting types or scientific researchers, who don't typically fit into this demographic.

Can't help you with the ladies - I already got my perfect American girl, and she doesn't have any sisters
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Hi everybody,
im 26 years old and from the Zurich Region. Im 100% swiss, born and raised in Zurich.

Now why im writing this message? Ok since a couple of years im totally crazy about the US and the American People. Don't get me wrong, i love Switzerland and i love the Life here, but i also need to travel every year to the US (last travel brought me to the South) because im such a fan of the people, the culture and even the things most Europeans would say: "What the f*** is wrong with these people?". I still want to live in Switzerland, but i want to get more in touch with American people, because even when my plan works out and i can travel to the US every year for about 1-2 months, i still need more US-Spirit around here:-)

Another big thing is COUNTRY Music. I love, love, love country music and i travel around Switzerland and even Europe if i can see US-Country Musicians visiting Europe...

So long story short: I want to get to know Americans that would love to share their time with a crazy Swiss Neocon-Redneck who loves America.

Im not an introverted guy that don't have friends, don't get me wrong, but i haven't got enough US Friends... And all my relationships with women didn't work out that well (i think its because they simply couldn't handle my crazyness about the US).

So please shoot me a message and we can get in touch!!

Im often out, but still i don't meet enough American people, so maybe this is the right way :-)

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Why country music? it's awful and unoriginal and whiny, and the country music culture (I was living it for a good 20 years of my life) is full of racism and bigotry, and country music fans tend to be FOX news viewers with limited education and a small world view. (just my generalization, so anyone can feel free to defend this particular subculture).

Though, I must say hoff, with your self-identification more in line with Republicans, this also aligns with your love of country music.
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But for my as someone that makes Country-Music the term is used without any bad background... :-)
The problem is - while you, an outsider, are using the term in a positive sense, the word itself does indeed have background. And much of that background is negative.

Redneck really isn't a term to bandy about. Especially if aren't partial to squirrel stew. When a group labeled with a perjorative term reclaims the term, a la Jeff Foxworthy, that still really doesn't give outsiders a license to use it.

At least, don't use it if you ever visit a certain corner of the Hoosier state. There's a branch of my husband's family tree that thinks "He needed killin' " is a valid defense...

A better term for the folks you wish to meet, as others have mentioned, is: Americans. We're a pretty friendly bunch, wherever we hail from, whatever music we enjoy.

(Country music isn't my thing. But bluegrass - now that's finer 'n frog's hair, as my outlaws would say...)

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Maybe i shouldn't use the term redneck though.
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Re: Where are the Americans in Switzerland?

Hi hoff,

I think you're right, it was mostly people reacting to the labels you used. I know (or think I know) what some of the corresponding labels are in German but as an outsider I wouldn't ever dare use them... as another poster said, "them's fightin' words."

Instead of "rednecks" I'd advise you to say you are looking to meet "just normal folks". Couple it with your expressed enthusiasm for country music and people will be able to read between the lines. City slickers wouldn't call themselves "folks" so this is a subtle way of making yourself understood without stepping into a terminological minefield.

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So when you go to these country festivals and meet people, why not ask them where they hang out the rest of the year. You seem to be a fairly social dude.

One thing I miss from the US - diners. A place where you can go and eat breakfast (a decent breakfast) 24 hours a day.
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A poor shadow of the real thing, but could be fun to visit:

Cindy's Diner, Deitingen.

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Of course i have considered that... But im always only for a few weeks in the US, so its kind of hard to get to know some ladies from over there... But i thought maybe through this forum i can get to know some from the US or some that live in CH. At least i got to know some Redneck-Haters here, haha
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Anyplace mentioned in Rick Steve's Guide to Switzerland book.
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Why country music? it's awful and unoriginal and whiny, and the country music culture (I was living it for a good 20 years of my life) is full of racism and bigotry, and country music fans tend to be FOX news viewers with limited education and a small world view. (just my generalization, so anyone can feel free to defend this particular subculture).

Though, I must say hoff, with your self-identification more in line with Republicans, this also aligns with your love of country music.
And rap music is better???

Or Justin Bieber?
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Re: Where are the Americans in Switzerland?

I do get annoyed that there is a bit of newbie bashing on EF (IMHO), but I don't think this is the case.

When you use hot button words (neocon? redneck?), but then swear that you know the US upside, down and backwards because you have spent a bit of time there, you are going to get some impassioned responses.

I think it is a bit like the old adage about your family: you can criticize them, but get offended instantaneously if anybody else does.

How would everybody react if I posted something about wanting to meet real English people, not the toffs who drink Pimms and eat Brie? Or a real Swiss guy? Not the fancy pants bankers who reside in Zurich?

I am, admittedly, putting meaning to words that the OP didn't write, but us left-coast liberal types get a little sick and tired of being told how unpatriotic we are. I heart the US, am moving back there next month, as a matter of fact. I do appreciate the fact that the OP loves that great, big ol place, but, as Mr. Dougal wrote: be very careful when approaching the politics of another country. Heck: be very careful even if it is your own country!!!
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Re: Where are the Americans in Switzerland?

Im not just a guy that went 2 weeks on vacation and talking about something he doesn't know. Also when im Switzerland im spending MUCH TIME with American people from over there (over Internet, phone etc.). I have friends in the US in San Diego, Nashville etc. so i have very different views and people i know. Also i've spent time in pretty different regions in the US. I've been in over 20 states. I probably visited more places then most Americans do. I've talked to guys in California that never been outside of their state...!

And to the other post i've read about Country Music being lame... Do we really have to go into this? Country Music is one incredible genre. Look how incredibly this genre can melt with the time? We have traditional stuff, we have rocking stuff, we have the progressive-pop-country that takes over the world... I think to just decribe or bash that genre in one sentence is ridicoulus!

PS: I checked the calendar... So which events include Americans, and on which events i don't get killed because i like Country-Music? ;-)

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Re: Where are the Americans in Switzerland?

OP Dude: I have lived in the UK off and on for 23 years, Bermuda for 5 1/2 and Zurich for 4 - I wouldn't dream of discussing the politics or, for lack of a better phrase, anything "personal" about those places. But.... To each their own.

A sincere "Good Luck" to you.
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Re: Where are the Americans in Switzerland?

American here. Where I grew up, it was somewhat rural. I'm sure there were gun racks in some of the pickup trucks in the high school parking lot. I'm trying to remember if any of my friends self-identified as rednecks... Probably, but in truth we were too far north, too yankee, to be traditional rednecks.

To be honest, I think I'd find "neocon" to be the more offensive label. I see an awful lot of talk that sounds an awful lot like demagoguery from FOX and its pet party. On the other hand, the dems often seem like blithering idiots. I could go on - I don't mind talking politics - but it is perhaps best if I don't.
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PS: I checked the calendar... So which events include Americans, and on which events i don't get killed because i like Country-Music? ;-)
At no event will you get "killed" b/c you like country-music. . . erm, at least, I am still alive.

And all events can include Americans (unless otherwise specified ), but as a general rule, look for people who sign up who you know are American (based on this thread, you have some names). Or just attend some events that sound like fun b/c there are bound to be some Americans attending. Coming up soon, there will be another social pool night (organized by me) or maybe a Friday night drinks at the Volkshaus (organized by another Yank--although that is only one of her many hats) or you can join in at the Ploughman's lunch (under the commercial events section) where you will meet all sorts of great people...
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Re: Where are the Americans in Switzerland?

The American who does the Friday night drinks here. Raised in the south in a military family. Not a redneck. Likes country music (along with a whole lot of other stuff. I don't like all country music, but I have a fondness for what are now oldies like Garth Brooks and Dwight Yoakam.)

There are plenty of friendly American types (some of us are mixes, but nothing wrong with that, the US is a melting pot) who would love to expound their love for the food, the crazy holidays (also usually involving food), their favorite sports team, and all the other things we left back home.

I think people had a knee-jerk reaction to the loaded terms of "neocon" and "redneck". They aren't simple labels and things can get awkward using them. However, if you ever become a US citizen, feel free to vote for who you like. That would be your right and duty as a citizen. Republican, Democrat, whatever. Hell, you could even run for governor of a state after a certain number of years.

But as I think MathNut said, you want "normal folks". My family has lived in the boondocks and the hollers and hills throughout the entire country. You'll find "normal folks" everywhere, even in some of the cities.

If you want to meet some military folk, Germany is filled with them. The Kaiserslautern area has a HUGE amount of them. And they are basically a little part of the US right here in Europe. They even have brown sugar and peanut butter and a mall. So maybe go up there? I know they have some community outreach events sometimes to help the locals understand the soldiers a bit better. You can even get a job on some of the bases, everything from working in the stores to maintenance to being staff for some of the higher ups. There are definitely women soldiers too, so maybe a hint of romance is possible, too? If not, there are plenty of people to be friends with. Plus there are us military brats floating around CH as well.

Nothing wrong liking Americans. If you want to move there, meet people there, nothing wrong with that. It's large and diverse.
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And rap music is better???
Hmmm, I guess it's a toss-up. I probably have equal amounts of each (several CDs out of 700), though I probably have more classical than both combined (a dozen or so).

Meanwhile, one of my housemates used to make squirrel stew (from squirrels he shot himself, a real redneck would probably make it from road-kill) , and had a pet raccoon.

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Re: Where are the Americans in Switzerland?

Regardless of the love-hate relationship I have for my fellow Americans, I just want to say that I think the OP handled the negative responses (earlier) on this thread INCREDIBLY well... and that I'm happy (and a bit surprised) to see that this thread didn't turn into a full-on bashing of American culture in general.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go trim my mullet.
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