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Sounds all brillant!!! Enjoy it!!! :-)

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Yes, i forgot. I love America, Country-Music and want to preserve the great Traditions, i must be a racist. WTF????!!
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Yes, i forgot. I love America, Country-Music and want to preserve the great Traditions, i must be a racist. WTF????!!
What traditions are you referring to?
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Just basically cultural stuff... I mean im also a modern guy in some terms, but i don't like that so many europeans critize lots of things that make America so special... Why do we have so many "daydreamers" that love the US?? Its because there is a unique spirit, and this spirit needs to be preserved! My opinion...
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Just basically cultural stuff... I mean im also a modern guy in some terms, but i don't like that so many europeans critize lots of things that make America so special... Why do we have so many "daydreamers" that love the US?? Its because there is a unique spirit, and this spirit needs to be preserved! My opinion...
I know what you mean, I think...There is this perception that the US fosters individuality. And to some extent it does, although not as much as it once did. If you look at the history of the US - people coming from abroad and settling and making their own way, I think you can see some of this individuality. Pioneer spirit and so on. Lots of tinkering in garages, inventiveness. But there is also lots of "keeping up with the Joneses" where you feel compelled to follow convention, especially in suburban areas. People describe the US as a melting pot, but it's more like a stew with big chunks of diversity in it. It's pretty incredible that such a large and diverse country has been able to exist.

I know that the OP has visited the US, etc etc. But i think often people love the idea of the US in theory. In practice, sometimes, especially when resources are scarce, good jobs aren't available, and the economy is stagnant, it's not such a great place to be when you feel that you're loosing ground and moving from middle to lower class. And people loose their independence. At least, that's what I think.
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It isn't your business. It isn't your place. Eat up, sup up and shut up
Except it kind of is when their politics have such a direct effect on the rest of us in terms of foreign policy. I agree with keeping your nose out of domestic issues, but why on earth should I 'shut up & sup up' debate on international policies that effect all of us?

You've come up with this stance on a few occasions DB, and to be frank I find it's generalisation a little bit lame.

Having said that, & having travelled this great country up & down & all around over the years, I'm a true subscriber to Jean Baudrillard's quote:

"Drive 10,000 miles across America and you learn more about this country than all the institutes of sociology or political science put together.“
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Except it kind of is when their politics have such a direct effect on the rest of us in terms of foreign policy. I agree with keeping your nose out of domestic issues, but why on earth should I 'shut up & sup up' debate on international policies that effect all of us?

You've come up with this stance on a few occasions DB, and to be frank I find it's generalisation a little bit lame.
Suit yourself.

But don't be surprised if Americans you meet think you are an irritating prick and avoid you upon your next meeting.

They've heard it all before, endlessly, ad nauseam, and the best way to piss people off is to give them grief for stuff over which they have almost no influence whatsoever.

You, like Marton, may well feel "empowered" to speak about the politics of other people's countries, but that doesn't mean you would be wise to do so.
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Not to mention totally unfounded from my own personal experience of 25yrs of travelling there & many friendships & conversation's with American's from Boston to deepest Texas.

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You also automatically assume that I 'give them grief'.
Hey-ho.
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Not to mention totally unfounded from my own personal experience of 25yrs of travelling there & many friendships & conversation with American's from Boston to deepest Texas.
Sounds like you got lucky.

Most of the Americans I know are sick to death of opinionated foreigners collaring them at parties and drinking sessions to talk about George Bush and Iraq and Universal Healthcare and all that other nonsense.

Best to leave it alone, at least until they bring the subject up (and even then proceed with caution and discretion).
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Most of the Americans I know are sick to death of opinionated foreigners collaring them at parties and drinking sessions to talk about George Bush and Iraq and Universal Healthcare and all that other nonsense.

Best to leave it alone, at least until they bring the subject up (and even then proceed with caution and discretion).
Mm, yes and no.

Sick to death, yes, but I understand where people are coming from, so I usually try to produce a smile and a nod (even though it's annoying as all get-out) and hope that the conversation swiftly moves on. I think most of the Americans I know over here would extend the same courtesy (or try to) so it's probably not that he "got lucky".


But yes - it is annoying. Especially on a first meeting. I don't do this to the Swiss I meet so why do they do it to me? (Actually, the Swiss are not the worst culprits by a long shot. I can be rude about them though because this isn't the swissforum.ch.)
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Hi hoff,

You sound crazy but I like it! I'm an American so if you're ever in Bern, let's grab a drink.

Good luck on your search for Americans
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Sounds like you got lucky.
I've lived in L.A./Dallas for almost 18mths, I've also undertaken several transcontinental road trips & made countless visits to all corners of the county through assignments for work.

It must be exceedingly good luck.
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Hi hoff,

You sound crazy but I like it! I'm an American so if you're ever in Bern, let's grab a drink.

Good luck on your search for Americans
It's a first good step to find American usually European decendants. Who is really American, we all might as well be! The US of A was built on immigration therefore everyone who spent sufficient amount of time there can qualify for passport. Slightly more complicated these days I believe but feasible. You just grow into the culture, live the dream and it may come true for the OP Arnie from Austria made it to Hollywood the governor of state CA, then hell you can make it as well
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It must be exceedingly good luck.
... or exceedingly good manners on the part of your hosts and neighbours.
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Most of the Americans I know are sick to death of opinionated foreigners collaring them at parties and drinking sessions to talk about George Bush and Iraq and Universal Healthcare and all that other nonsense.

Best to leave it alone, at least until they bring the subject up (and even then proceed with caution and discretion).
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Mm, yes and no.

Sick to death, yes, but I understand where people are coming from, so I usually try to produce a smile and a nod (even though it's annoying as all get-out) and hope that the conversation swiftly moves on. I think most of the Americans I know over here would extend the same courtesy (or try to) so it's probably not that he "got lucky".


But yes - it is annoying. Especially on a first meeting. I don't do this to the Swiss I meet so why do they do it to me? (Actually, the Swiss are not the worst culprits by a long shot. I can be rude about them though because this isn't the swissforum.ch.)

I vary reactions to such discussions depending on my mood (which, of course is influenced by the moon, same as all / most women) and how it is presented.

Knowing where someone stands in their opinion of American politics is helpful after all... it helps me know whether I ever want to speak to them again.

Meanwhile, when some things come up in the news and hubby's colleagues comment on it (usually in German, usually among themselves as they "know" my German is rubbish ), sometimes I'll step in with some comments to help clear things up or give my point of view. (An article about the Anthony Graves case was featured in Blick am Abend recently and we discussed it a bit.) Hubby's colleagues consist of folks from a wide range of backgrounds, some fairly newly arrived and some 2nd or so generation Swiss citizens (as well as some "forever" Swiss folks as well), so tiptoeing around politics and such is something with which they have much practice.

Someone who is "in your face" about politics though, no matter what country, may keep me there for an encounter but really isn't likely to inspire me to keep them company in the future.
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Thank's for assuming (again) that I'm a drunken opinionated foreigner that collars people to bang on about George Bush and Iraq and Universal Healthcare and all that other nonsense.
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Re: Where are the Americans in Switzerland?

honestly, i don't even like talking politics with fellow americans (!) let alone others. when it comes to politics in the u.s everyone has an opinion (good for them) but i just don't really wanna hear it. i've heard every non-americans view of american politics as most think it's their duty to offer their opinion (why or why not, again, i don't care) when they find out i am from the states. unbeknownst to them that i am far more concerned with local politics, if people knew more about the country they'd know why that is.

anyway, people can talk about what they like with americans, but i'll tell you the majority of americans who are talking to you about politics are doing so because you want to talk about politics in the u.s, not because they want to. we are quite polite
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honestly, i don't even like talking politics with fellow americans (!) let alone others. when it comes to politics in the u.s everyone has an opinion (good for them) but i just don't really wanna hear it. i've heard every non-americans view of american politics as most think it's their duty to offer their opinion (why or why not, again, i don't care) when they find out i am from the states. unbeknownst to them that i am far more concerned with local politics, if people knew more about the country they'd know why that is.

anyway, people can talk about what they like with americans, but i'll tell you the majority of americans who are talking to you about politics are doing so because you want to talk about politics in the u.s, not because they want to. we are quite polite
Totally! And you know, opinions are like a$$holes, everybody's got one.
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