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Thank's for assuming (again) that I'm a drunken opinionated foreigner that collars people to bang on about George Bush and Iraq and Universal Healthcare and all that other nonsense.
I could care less about the specific opinions expressed, it's the entire subject I avoid. No matter what happens in Washington (short perhaps of unmistakable national triumph or tragedy - the end of a war, the death of a president) I do not want to be congratulated, condoled with or otherwise presumed upon by new acquaintances. I'll smile and nod for politeness' sake but don't expect any kind of candid or heartfelt reciprocal sharing. It is simply not a conversation I am prepared to have with near-strangers.

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Re: Where are the Americans in Switzerland?

Well, I would personally prefer an American with political views that differ from mine to one that has no opinions whatsoever. It amazes me how many Americans don't bother to inform themselves about politics and would instead, for example, prefer to concern themselves with pop culture gossip and reality television.

To each their own, I guess. But... I will say this. When 911 happened, I wanted to vomit when all these people were so quick to raise their American flags and jump on the war-train... and yet never thought to ask WHY these people flew planes into our buildings. After all, that kind of thing doesn't happen for no reason (regardless of how right or wrong that reason is). I guess I just feel that too many Americans blindly play follow-the-leader. But perhaps if they really DID talk about politics more (and educate themselves), then some real change for the better might finally happen there.

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Well, I would personally prefer an American with political views that differ from mine to one that has no opinions whatsoever.
There is an enormous difference between "not holding political views" and "showing discretion regarding the people with whom you share those views".

I should think quite a lot more people fall into the latter category than you might suspect.
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Re: Where are the Americans in Switzerland?

honestly i only know those jump on the war train people from the tv and i was downtown and know people i went to school with who weren't anything close to flag waving blindly following people so be careful about broad statements. just because people don't talk about politics doesn't mean they have an opinion. i feel i can make much more of a difference in my house, on my street in my hood than i can watching cnn and spitting my opinion of what's happening at anyone who'll listen. and last time i had to listen to a non american talk to me about politics it was 2 weeks ago at a party and he said to me that the u.s deserved 911 and he was glad it happened . now, i am more liberal and lefty than you know but i'll tell you hearing people touch on sh!t that directly touches my family, friends, neighbors and so forth (most of whom were as liberal and open as most new yorkers are) when they have no idea what they are talking about (that includes non new yorkers now, because all i am saying is how it feels when loved ones are killed and you feel you are living, however briefly, in a warzone-the smell, the dust, etc) just makes politics and anything related leave a bad taste in your mouth.
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I agree... but it's also been my experience that many Americans who do not voice an opinion about politics are also the types to not watch the news or inform themselves, etc. and hence, this is why they have nothing to say. But again, that's just my experience based on the group of people that I have known. I can understand, though, why some people choose to hold back their political views for fear of offending someone and/or simply to avoid a heated argument. I guess that's hard to do, though, for some people that do have pretty strong political views.
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I could care less about the specific opinions expressed, it's the entire subject I avoid. No matter what happens in Washington (short perhaps of unmistakable national triumph or tragedy - the end of a war, the death of a president) I do not want to be congratulated, condoled with or otherwise presumed upon by new acquaintances. I'll smile and nod for politeness' sake but don't expect any kind of candid or heartfelt reciprocal sharing. It is simply not a conversation I am prepared to have with near-strangers.

Politics, religion and gall bladder surgery. You are empowered to speak about it but that doesn't mean I want to hear about it.

Oh shucks, I guess I better keep my yap shut a bit more then.
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honestly i only know those jump on the war train people from the tv and i was downtown and know people i went to school with who weren't anything close to flag waving blindly following people so be careful about broad statements. just because people don't talk about politics doesn't mean they have an opinion. i feel i can make much more of a difference in my house, on my street in my hood than i can watching cnn and spitting my opinion of what's happening at anyone who'll listen. and last time i had to listen to a non american talk to me about politics it was 2 weeks ago at a party and he said to me that the u.s deserved 911 and he was glad it happened . now, i am more liberal and lefty than you know but i'll tell you hearing people touch on sh!t that directly touches my family, friends, neighbors and so forth (most of whom were as liberal and open as most new yorkers are) when they have no idea what they are talking about (that includes non new yorkers now, because all i am saying is how it feels when loved ones are killed and you feel you are living, however briefly, in a warzone-the smell, the dust, etc) just makes politics and anything related leave a bad taste in your mouth.
Sorry... I was raised and living in the midwest around 911 and was surrounded by right-winged, flag-waiving, Mulsim-haters at the time. So this is probably why I felt the way that I did or do... but I can respect that you had a different experience from it. At the same time, though, I certainly had my share of sympathy for all the lives that were lost and affected from 911. I even visited "ground zero" a month after it happened.

Again, my only wish was that more people (and the US government) would have reacted a bit differently. I guess I just don't believe that tanks and guns should be any government's main mode of foreign policy.
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Oh shucks, I guess I better keep my yap shut a bit more then.
Oh dear! I did a forum search for "gall bladder" and only turned up ONE thread, from a newbie who's hardly posted since, so I thought I'd be safe using that as an example...

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Re: Where are the Americans in Switzerland?

i'm a big fan of less talking more action when it comes to politics. there's plenty of people who complain, insult, criticize, etc. if someone believes so strongly one way or another, they should react, liberal people and otherwise.

not everyone has time to delve into politics and quite frankly if they have families they are surely doing more service to humanity by being a caring and loving parent, neighbor and friend than by reading the wall st. journal and discussing it with hard core conservatives.

after 911 there were tons of marches in nyc, at one point with over 400,000 people. i went to most of them with my infant son. plenty of people criticized american complacency but when asked to come and speak out against the war and so on, these same people were busy.

i don't mind those without an opinion half as much as those who don't act and only hollywood talk about what they think...
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Well, I would personally prefer an American with political views that differ from mine to one that has no opinions whatsoever. It amazes me how many Americans don't bother to inform themselves about politics and would instead, for example, prefer to concern themselves with pop culture gossip and reality television.
Unfortunately, you've got that in every country - people with no opinions simply because they don't care and don't inform themselves.

This, of course, excludes those who keep their mouths shut about the topic because they don't wish to discuss it - they usually have strong opinions but they keep them to themselves.

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To each their own, I guess. But... I will say this. When 911 happened, I wanted to vomit when all these people were so quick to raise their American flags and jump on the war-train... and yet never thought to ask WHY these people flew planes into our buildings. After all, that kind of thing doesn't happen for no reason (regardless of how right or wrong that reason is). I guess I just feel that too many Americans blindly play follow-the-leader. But perhaps if they really DID talk about politics more (and educate themselves), then some real change for the better might finally happen there.
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I questioned things after the September 11th attacks, and was branded a traitor for doing so. I thought they jumped in too quick, pointing the finger at one person too quickly. It was difficult to be a voice of moderation and reason confronted with a nation full of grief, patriotism and a desire for revenge.
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It was difficult to be a voice of moderation and reason confronted with a nation full of grief, patriotism and a desire for revenge.


There's nothing new under the sun.

Anyway, what happened to the OP?
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he's already found a nice swiss girl and has been chatting about the health benefits of rivella and fondue with neighbors and listening to sophie hunger.

he's seen the green grass on the other side is actually astro turf...
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he's already found a nice swiss girl and has been chatting about the health benefits of rivella and fondue with neighbors and listening to sophie hunger.

he's seen the green grass on the other side is actually astro turf...
Lol! Or maybe he's out somewhere doing the Boot Scootin' Boogie.
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Very true!

I think he's doing some country line dancing in the park on a Sunday.
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Re: Where are the Americans in Switzerland?

No he don't!! :-)

Im still here, i need to read through all the mess i've started... Im not even American and i started a war (even if its only on this message board). haha

I don't think that this thread will help me to find American people, i think the whole thing went a bit off-topic.... But yeah i've tried...

I think i could write 100 pages why i believe that America is a great country and why i think that lots of things America does are great, but im not going to attend this politicial discussion on this message board, i think these are things that should better be discussed face to face... :-)
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Hoff, do look for events (someone's bound to be having an open 4th of July party somewhere in the country!), get to know people face to face and avoid use of neocon and redneck and you should be fine
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Hoff, do look for events (someone's bound to be having an open 4th of July party somewhere in the country!), get to know people face to face and avoid use of neocon and redneck and you should be fine
Thanks man, for the future i will avoid these terms and use instead of Neocon Redneck i will say "conservative but modern Countryboy" sounds better right?

Yes a 4. of July party would be brillant!! I checked some "American Clubs" in Switzerland... The problem is that in most clubs the members are much, much, much older than me and its basically mostly just about business...
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Thanks man... I need to check it out, although with my views i would probably fit more into the republican party... But the Republicans abroad are more active in the french speaking part of Switzerland :-)

Just took the chance to get to know some american people through this forum, 'cause its kinda hard to filter them out in bars and other locations here in Switzerland :-)

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hey man I'm American but I'm neither a Dixie nor am I a redneck i'm simply better than both
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hey man I'm American but I'm neither a Dixie nor am I a redneck i'm simply better than both
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