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Old 09.06.2011, 22:11
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I'm sure the calves which were slaughtered in order to bring the milk to my fridge would disagree.

Compared to them, a few bugs pinned to a bit of cardboard are hardly worth a mention.
Who slaughters calves to get milk ?

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Old 09.06.2011, 22:12
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Re: Butterflies

Come on guys, unless you are a tree hugging hippy who is a strict vegan and have never owned a single leather belt, shoes, chair, no make-up etc blah blah blah, no one is in the position to pass any comments about the OP's hobby.

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Old 09.06.2011, 22:13
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I'm sure the calves which were slaughtered in order to bring the milk to my fridge would disagree.
I though calves were only slaughtered to bring veal, sweetbreads, liver, and tete-de-veau to my table (plus to make Jello), what have they to do with milk?

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Who slaughters cows to get milk ?
Nobody slaughters cows to get milk.

If you've discovered a way to get milk from a bullock, though, I'm sure everyone would be delighted to hear about it.
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Old 09.06.2011, 22:22
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Nobody slaughters cows to get milk.

If you've discovered a way to get milk from a bullock, though, I'm sure everyone would be delighted to hear about it.
Bollocks, no one can make milk from bullocks!!! I put my coat on.... and he walked away to watch movie starring Sandra Bullock.
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Old 09.06.2011, 22:26
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Nobody slaughters cows to get milk.

If you've discovered a way to get milk from a bullock, though, I'm sure everyone would be delighted to hear about it.
So who slaughters calves to get milk ? As per your post.
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Bollocks, no one can make milk from bullocks!!!
Precisely, which is why they are slaughtered: bloody, innocent by-products of the dairy industry.

I'm fine with that, of course, but I'm also fine with the OP catching bugs as a hobby.
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So who slaughters calves to get milk ? As per your post.
Dairy cattle don't lactate for fun. They lactate for their calves. To get cattle to lactate, it is necessary to get them pregnant. About 50% of the calves they bear are male. Male calves are useless for milk production. Male calves are, therefore, slaughtered and sold as veal. The production of milk for my cup of tea, therefore, results in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of calves every year.

And we're complaining about chasing bugs with a big net?
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Dairy cattle don't lactate for fun. They lactate for their calves. To get cattle to lactate, it is necessary to get them pregnant. About 50% of the calves they bear are male. Male calves are useless for milk production. Male calves are, therefore, slaughtered and sold as veal. The production of milk for my cup of tea, therefore, results in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of calves every year.

And we're complaining about chasing bugs with a big net?
Just as I thought, no one slaughters calves for milk.

You don't have to source that drop of milk for your tea from such dairies. You choose to though.
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You don't have to source that drop of milk for your tea from such dairies. You choose to though.
Yes, because it's cheap and I like milk in my tea. Mind, I'd be curious to know if there are any dairies which don't slaughter their male calves.

However, I'm not claiming any moral superiority over a man who chases bugs. I like meat, I like milk, I enjoy wearing leather shoes. I've spent enough of my life in slaughterhouses to see the suffering endured by other creatures so that I may enjoy these things.

To criticise a man for chasing butterflies while blithely ignoring the fact that sentient mammals are killed for my pleasure would be hypocrisy of the highest order.
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Old 09.06.2011, 22:44
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I'm fine with that, of course, but I'm also fine with the OP catching bugs as a hobby.
Butterflies aren't bugs! I have to (choose to) listen to my entomologist boyfriend tell me things about insects, so now I'm making you listen - well, read. Bugs (punaises in French, the order is something with ptera in it I'm pretty sure). From our nature walks, I remember something about the position of their wings, something about their antennae and their probiscus as being important defining charecteristics.

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Old 09.06.2011, 22:46
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Dairy cattle don't lactate for fun.
Did this thread really devolve into how cows have fun in their spare time? Let's go back to killing things....
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Old 09.06.2011, 22:48
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bloody, innocent by-products of the dairy industry
Perhaps, but they ARE tasty!

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Old 09.06.2011, 22:50
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The production of milk for my cup of tea, therefore, results in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of calves every year.
Well, I don't drink my tea with milk or sugar, but I do consume a lot of veal, so it looks like we both make out!

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Yes, because it's cheap and I like milk in my tea. Mind, I'd be curious to know if there are any dairies which don't slaughter their male calves.

However, I'm not claiming any moral superiority over a man who chases bugs. I like meat, I like milk, I enjoy wearing leather shoes. I've spent enough of my life in slaughterhouses to see the suffering endured by other creatures so that I may enjoy these things.

To criticise a man for chasing butterflies while blithely ignoring the fact that sentient mammals are killed for my pleasure would be hypocrisy of the highest order.
Back to kiling for pleasure again
Rather not, as I said earlier, killing for sustenance is unavoidable/permissible. Killing for pleasure or a hobby is criticisable.
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True, but they ARE insects, which to those who don't care about technicalities are, in fact, bugs.

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Rather not, as I said earlier, killing for sustenance is unavoidable/permissible. Killing for pleasure or a hobby is criticisable.
Having milk in tea, eating trout and wearing leather shoes are all perfectly avoidable in 21st century Switzerland.

To continue doing so, in the knowledge that doing so results in the deaths of innocent creatures, is fine by me.

Is it fine by you?
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And if you kill for pleasure, and then consume your kill?

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Needless slaughter, just less wasteful.
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Having milk in tea, eating trout and wearing leather shoes are all perfectly avoidable in 21st century Switzerland.

To continue doing so, in the knowledge that doing so results in the deaths of innocent creatures, is fine by me.

Is it fine by you?
Depends. Just how much fun do you get from it ?
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