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Old 09.06.2011, 23:57
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Re: Butterflies

As I am a biker, I kill a lot of bugs while riding.

I enjoy riding, am I therefore killing them for pleasure?

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As I am a biker, I kill a lot of bugs while riding.

I enjoy riding, am I therefore killing them for pleasure?

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Do you ride your bike to kill bugs for pleasure ? Only you can answer that.
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As I am a biker, I kill a lot of bugs while riding.

I enjoy riding, am I therefore killing them for pleasure?

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No, the killing of bugs whilst riding is incidental to your riding for pleasure.
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Old 10.06.2011, 00:02
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No, the killing of bugs whilst riding is incidental to your riding for pleasure.
Would it be more humane if I were to fit bug-zappers to my bikes?

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Permissible/excusable, if done humanely.
Why is it permissable/excusable?

Nobody needs to eat veal or put milk in his tea.

This looks suspiciously like moral cherry picking to me.
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Old 10.06.2011, 00:03
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Would it be more humane if I were to fit bug-zappers to my bikes?

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Possibly, but I don't know what a bug-zapper is
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Nobody needs to eat veal or put milk in his tea.

This looks suspiciously like moral cherry picking to me.
Killing to eat is natures way, very few species kill for pleasure.
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Re: Butterflies

Frankly, I don't know what is this fuss all about... we were talking about a few insects, butterflies or bugs as you please and it evolved into philosphical, ethical and moral discussion about killing animals. I understand that from view-point of little insect whether be it two- or three- dimensional world they live in and their relative life longevite varying from few hours to days, it is still minor lifless particle afterwards.

Mammals and human beings fall into category of living oragnisms that I would start considering as a marigin where my consciousness would kick in ... but little annoying bugs no matter how colorfoul they are in look ... please.

In the meantime outrage is taking place in this world ...

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Killing to eat is natures way, very few species kill for pleasure.
With the possible exception of the OP.
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Killing to eat is natures way, very few species kill for pleasure.
Killing for sustenance is nature's way.

Deliberately choosing to put milk in one's tea (when there are plenty of lemons for sale in Migros) or enjoy a nice bit of veal for supper (when tofu is sold in every Reformhaus) is as far from 'nature's way' as running around a field with a big net.

Like I said: cherry picking.
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Old 10.06.2011, 00:06
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Re: Butterflies

Right, anyone fancies a cuppa tea with milk?
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Possibly, but I don't know what a bug-zapper is
We've just installed one in our kitchen - and it's b*****y useless- no killing there.
Slice of lemon for me please - but I'll have milk in my porridge, thanks.
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Thanks. Yes, please do fit one on your bike.
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With the possible exception of the OP.
... and the rest of us.

Except we choose to do it by proxy and pretend to ignore the consequences of our choices.
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Killing for sustenance is nature's way.

Deliberately choosing to put milk in one's tea or enjoy a nice bit of veal for supper is as far from 'nature's way' as running around a field with a big net.

Like I said: cherry picking.
That is just your take on sustenance. Your civilised way of enjoying sustenance. You try to separate yourself from your animal origins by sipping tea with milk in the name of civilisation. A human effort to rise above your animal origins, which is nothing more than moral cherry picking.
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We've just installed one in our kitchen - and it's b*****y useless- no killing there.
What you need is an electric fly swat.

If the fly won't come to Mo Hammond...
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