As I am a biker, I kill a lot of bugs while riding.

I enjoy riding, am I therefore killing them for pleasure?

Tom

So, in a nutshell:

Good:




Bad:

Do you ride your bike to kill bugs for pleasure ? Only you can answer that.

No, the killing of bugs whilst riding is incidental to your riding for pleasure.

Good Permissible/excusable, if done humanely.

Bad Unnecessary.

Would it be more humane if I were to fit bug-zappers to my bikes?

Tom

Why is it permissable/excusable?

Nobody needs to eat veal or put milk in his tea.

This looks suspiciously like moral cherry picking to me.

Possibly, but I don't know what a bug-zapper is

Killing to eat is natures way, very few species kill for pleasure.

Frankly, I don't know what is this fuss all about... we were talking about a few insects, butterflies or bugs as you please and it evolved into philosphical, ethical and moral discussion about killing animals. I understand that from view-point of little insect whether be it two- or three- dimensional world they live in and their relative life longevite varying from few hours to days, it is still minor lifless particle afterwards.

Mammals and human beings fall into category of living oragnisms that I would start considering as a marigin where my consciousness would kick in ... but little annoying bugs no matter how colorfoul they are in look ... please.

In the meantime outrage is taking place in this world ...

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Speak for yourself, I certainly do!

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With the possible exception of the OP.

Killing for sustenance is nature's way.

Deliberately choosing to put milk in one's tea (when there are plenty of lemons for sale in Migros) or enjoy a nice bit of veal for supper (when tofu is sold in every Reformhaus) is as far from 'nature's way' as running around a field with a big net.

Like I said: cherry picking.

Right, anyone fancies a cuppa tea with milk?

This.



Tom

We've just installed one in our kitchen - and it's b*****y useless- no killing there.
Slice of lemon for me please - but I'll have milk in my porridge, thanks.

Thanks. Yes, please do fit one on your bike.

... and the rest of us.

Except we choose to do it by proxy and pretend to ignore the consequences of our choices.

That is just your take on sustenance. Your civilised way of enjoying sustenance. You try to separate yourself from your animal origins by sipping tea with milk in the name of civilisation. A human effort to rise above your animal origins, which is nothing more than moral cherry picking.

What you need is an electric fly swat.

If the fly won't come to Mo Hammond...