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CNC (Computerized Numerical Control ) programmer - where I can I study this in CH ?

Does anyone know where someone can study or learn CNC for the


turning , milling ...mechanical operation and so on


Is there any institute or school where offer that ?



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Old 24.06.2011, 15:44
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Re: CNC (Computerized Numerical Control ) programmer

Why CNC machining, if you don't mind my asking? (Was my line of work back home, so I'm always curious what other people see in it. )

I think the usual route is to start with an apprenticeship in normal machining first, i.e. do a 'Lehrstelle als Polymechaniker'. Not sure how that works if you are already past this stage of your career - maybe someone else will have more information.
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Why CNC machining, if you don't mind my asking? (Was my line of work back home, so I'm always curious what other people see in it. )

I think the usual route is to start with an apprenticeship in normal machining first, i.e. do a 'Lehrstelle als Polymechaniker'. Not sure how that works if you are already past this stage of your career - maybe someone else will have more information.
Thank you Mathnut,

I studied/worked already with the convetional machines such turning ,milling .... since while now.

at the moment i want learn the CNC
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Re: CNC (Computerized Numerical Control ) programmer

Find an employer who trains you on the job and/or ask a "Berufsschule" to take part in their classes for apprentices.
For instance: Berufsschule Bülach, get in touch with the head of the Technical Division, www.bsb-buelach.ch
Two companies that could provide training on the job: www.srtechnics.com, www.landert.com
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Re: CNC (Computerized Numerical Control ) programmer - where I can I study this in C

I was also in this line of work for about six year back in the states. I would agree with rpf on this. Or even just learn on the job, thats how most people do it in this business I think.
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Re: CNC (Computerized Numerical Control ) programmer - where I can I study this in C

I don't know what it's called in German but in French the course you go through is polymecanician. That's roughly a "well rounded machinist". You can have a look at the course plan in Vaud here. (No idea where to look for that info in Zurich)

The CNC portion is rather small compared to the rest. A good CNC man is born out of a good manual machinist, usually. As a manual machinist you already know the ins and outs of feeds and speeds and how to apply that to different materials. You know how to hold the parts, the forces involved, the stresses, and the order of operations in making a complex part. The actual programming for CNC is picked up quickly; a clever person can literally be writing and running programs in a day. And much of the programming is done in a CAM software. What matters most to an employer is having someone who can check a program, whether it's hand written or out of CAM, and find not only faults but where to make it more efficient. That's really an on-the-job thing.

I have a couple of friends who have been through the program listed above; one became a CAD jockey (darn good one too- since he thinks like a machinist ), the other scraped together 20k, bought a well worn 3 axis CNC, and taught himself to become proficient at programming. 5 years later he has a couple of 300K machines running double shifts and uses the old one for rough work.

As someone who has been party to the decision making in hiring and firing of machinists, I would say I'd take a good manual machinist with his acceptance that he would be taught and expected to run CNCs rather than a recent graduate of a program catered to pure CNC machining. The most important aspect of a machinist is his (or her, MN ) brain. Troubleshooting and problem solving skills are hard to teach, G-code is easy.

And after all that rambling, sorry, I don't know if there are courses aimed just at CNC machining here in Switzerland. Not to negate what I just wrote, but if there is, and it isn't something that will take years but rather months, then it may well be worth looking into. You have to weigh the cost-return ratio, especially considering that you are basically qualified as it is.

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I don't know what it's called in German but in French the course you go through is polymecanician. That's roughly a "well rounded machinist". You can have a look at the course plan in Vaud here. (No idea where to look for that info in Zurich)
It's called the same polymechaniker. However op have a look here at ECAP they do CNC courses in 3 stages 3x100 lessons monday evenings and saturday mornings each section costs 1400CHF
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I don't know what it's called in German but in French the course you go through is polymecanician. That's roughly a "well rounded machinist". You can have a look at the course plan in Vaud here. (No idea where to look for that info in Zurich)

The CNC portion is rather small compared to the rest. A good CNC man is born out of a good manual machinist, usually. As a manual machinist you already know the ins and outs of feeds and speeds and how to apply that to different materials. You know how to hold the parts, the forces involved, the stresses, and the order of operations in making a complex part. The actual programming for CNC is picked up quickly; a clever person can literally be writing and running programs in a day. And much of the programming is done in a CAM software. What matters most to an employer is having someone who can check a program, whether it's hand written or out of CAM, and find not only faults but where to make it more efficient. That's really an on-the-job thing.

I have a couple of friends who have been through the program listed above; one became a CAD jockey (darn good one too- since he thinks like a machinist ), the other scraped together 20k, bought a well worn 3 axis CNC, and taught himself to become proficient at programming. 5 years later he has a couple of 300K machines running double shifts and uses the old one for rough work.

As someone who has been party to the decision making in hiring and firing of machinists, I would say I'd take a good manual machinist with his acceptance that he would be taught and expected to run CNCs rather than a recent graduate of a program catered to pure CNC machining. The most important aspect of a machinist is his (or her, MN ) brain. Troubleshooting and problem solving skills are hard to teach, G-code is easy.

And after all that rambling, sorry, I don't know if there are courses aimed just at CNC machining here in Switzerland. Not to negate what I just wrote, but if there is, and it isn't something that will take years but rather months, then it may well be worth looking into. You have to weigh the cost-return ratio, especially considering that you are basically qualified as it is.

HTH

I'm really very happy to see that you wrote all that much to explain to me , i appreciate that .

yes it called CNC programmierer or as you said CNC mechaniker

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It's called the same polymechaniker. However op have a look here at ECAP they do CNC courses in 3 stages 3x100 lessons monday evenings and saturday mornings each section costs 1400CHF


Yes i called the ECAP and the course will start in October from 19:00 evening


The problem is i don't understand German as the course will be by German , yes they told me the teacher can speak french ( which will be fine for me ) and Italian as well.


The other problem, i got in touch with owner of CNC workshop ( as he want help me to learn it by his workshop but always come the language issue ) , he he told me that the course by ECAP will not do lot for you ,


any way i will maybe take the course at Solothun which also at late time and i will travel every day from Zurich !
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The other problem, i got in touch with owner of CNC workshop ( as he want help me to learn it by his workshop but always come the language issue ) , he he told me that the course by ECAP will not do lot for you ,
Well it sounds like you've found a sympathetic shop owner, which is excellent. Perhaps do the course in spite of the fact he says it won't do much for you (technically I'm supposing)- just to pick up the terminology in German, and some basic speaking skills by osmosis.

When I first came here it was an all French speaking shop with one English speaker on hand. As I spoke zero French and the Anglophone couldn't hold my hand all the time, I picked up the terminology of tools and techniques as quick as I could and used Tarzan speak to communicate.

"Me need reamer. No have? Toolgrinder where is?" Before I knew it I was speaking French. That's when the fun started. Over here they have no concept of a snipe hunt... sending the apprentice to fetch a left-handed hammer or a new bubble for the level .
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That's when the fun started. Over here they have no concept of a snipe hunt... sending the apprentice to fetch a left-handed hammer or a new bubble for the level .
ashamed to say that during my apprenticeship i got sent to the store for a "long stand for an actuator" and i fell for it! however it wasn't as bad as the guy that was sent to the tool store for the keys to the planes ignition only to be sent to engineering by the tool store and then to planning and finally HR before he finally coped on that he was being taken for a ride. Oh the joys of being a newbie.

Sorry for the off topic op..
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Re: CNC (Computerized Numerical Control ) programmer - where I can I study this in C

If you haven't heard of it already, you may find this website a helpful resource: -

http://cnczone.com/
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