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So that's meat and 3 veg, right?
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As per languages and work. Some of the large cities (Zurich or Geneva) may offer you the possiblity to work in English, with such large populations of english speaker.
Don't leave out Basel! Plus there is a shortage of English-speaking head doctors in Basel. (imho)
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Re: Moving to liberal CH??

I meant my comment to basically be a tongue and cheek response to KeinFranzosisch (how to make an umlaut??) because the comment was just so perfectly right on :-) When I say liberal I do mean the things that you mentioned. I guess I also meant religiously liberal as well as "conscious" which could include an awareness of racism, sexism etc. I do think that overall the Swiss are probably more economical, environmentally aware, and waste less than the average American. I grew up (with my Swiss mother) always turning off the lights, not wasting food, not washing clothes everyday etc. before it became "fashionable". Yes, thank you for your points about how Swiss are liberal and advanced. I completely agree. I do think there are lots of problems in the US and that is one of the reasons why I would like to go to CH and "have a look around".
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Re: Moving to liberal CH??

Gosh, I hope that was a joke. Being at home on the internet and figuring out a new forum vs being in the office with a patient is quite a difference to me.
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Gosh, I hope that was a joke. Being at home on the internet and figuring out a new forum
I like your repeated "Gosh"ing makes me laugh and picture you working on the laptop in your kitchen - the keys covered in flour from the apple pie you are making and wiping your hands on the gingham apron.....like Don Drapers missus
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Re: Moving to liberal CH??

First: listen to Mathnut, she knows what she's talking about.

Religion: not publically discussed, people don't care, most people are critical of churces and most churches are notoriously empty. Still, more people describe themselves as religious than in other, neighbouring countries apart from Italy. Any in your face approach to religion is frowned upon.

Sexism: First country in Europe to let women study at Universities and engage professions that require a degree, last country to let them vote.

Racism: Very multicultural and diverse, yet often very blunt and un-PC.

Switzerland is a country that is very difficult to grasp from the outside, most struggle to "get" the country even after living here for years. Therefore any statement is as likely to be wrong as right, as Mathnut mentioned, the political/ideological divide is very very different here.
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Re: Moving to liberal CH??

Hi Luness - what an exciting prospect. The country is beautiful and there is always something to gain from experiencing a different culture. Being in the heart of Europe would also offer you and your family countless possibilities of discovery.

My practical comment in addition to all the others is that accommodation can be more or less difficult to secure in different cities. I have lived in Geneva and have recently settled in Basel. Both these places are lovely and include a high proportion of foreigners (more or less 30 per cent) - so great if you want to make the most of your languages.

However finding somewhere to live in Geneva was hell whereas in Basel it has been very positive, at least in my experience.

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I meant my comment to basically be a tongue and cheek response to KeinFranzosisch (how to make an umlaut??) because the comment was just so perfectly right on :-) When I say liberal I do mean the things that you mentioned. I guess I also meant religiously liberal as well as "conscious" which could include an awareness of racism, sexism etc. I do think that overall the Swiss are probably more economical, environmentally aware, and waste less than the average American. I grew up (with my Swiss mother) always turning off the lights, not wasting food, not washing clothes everyday etc. before it became "fashionable". Yes, thank you for your points about how Swiss are liberal and advanced. I completely agree. I do think there are lots of problems in the US and that is one of the reasons why I would like to go to CH and "have a look around".
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Re: Moving to liberal CH??

Thank you so much for your extremely informative post. In the US psychiatrists are called medical doctors as well as physicians. Also it is quite common for one's "regular doctor" or primary care physician to prescribe psychiatric medications. But I understand from your post that Psychologists work with Psychiatrists. I have read your post several times and again thank you for your time.
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Thank you so much for your extremely informative post. In the US psychiatrists are called medical doctors as well as physicians. Also it is quite common for one's "regular doctor" or primary care physician to prescribe psychiatric medications. But I understand from your post that Psychologists work with Psychiatrists. I have read your post several times and again thank you for your time.
You will not be considered a doctor here, until you have your title recognized and proven. This could be a very long way as it's a locked society.

You can still take patients, but you will struggle to find any as they will chose to visit doctors who are in fact covered by their health insurance.
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Re: Moving to liberal CH??

...better refine your description of "liberal". What you describe sounds more like American hippy, airy-fairy, intellectual idealism, whereas the Swiss tend to implement things and bring things out of the sky down on the ground. The Swiss social safety net is massive and in the US would be considered "liberal" in the extreme. Recycling, nature and environment protection is pretty much implemented border to border and enforced. The Swiss internal complaints about their own shortcomings on the environment are miniscule nitpicking compared to the state of most countries. You will have a hard time finding a country that takes better care of itself than Switzerland, never mind what the nitpickers say.

Though meat eaters may not recognize it, vegetarians in Switzerland are common as cows, which includes me who doesn't feel he is coming up short on anything, including vitamin B12 shots every half-year covered by my health insurance. You can find organically grown food (Bio) available just about everywhere, including supermarkets, and you won't find it too difficult to find a Bio farmer nearby where you can buy unwashed vegies for that genuine earth grit between your teeth.

You will find it more realistic and grounding to seek work as a psychology oriented assistant or researcher until you know the lay of the land. The idea that you could start right off the bat with your own practice will have legal barriers, and building a patient base from scratch, no.

If you have a US dollar nest egg, take a look at it, imagine it shrunk by 50% in purchasing power and figure out whether you can get to first base here with that.

My advice to you would be, if you can afford it, to come here for a month and wander around like a lost soul, taking it all in, from the mountains to the valleys, from the bankers to the garbage collectors, then decide what is liberal in reality and what's for you and what's not.
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Re: Moving to liberal CH??

Beeing Vegetarian in switzerland is no problem, i'm. In zurich e.g. there are tibits or aehm, a different restaurant. forgot the name...in zurich there's also a women who does vegan lunch, but i've never been there. Why should it be a problem? In most restaurants, there's a vegetarian menu.

In the shop you get a lot of half finished industrial vegetarian food. You even got vegetarian and vegan cosmetics at lush.

But yeah, it will be a hard way for you if you move here. Rly inform yourself about your doctor degree.
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Re: Moving to liberal CH??

You're taking the right step in coming here to look around. Viewing Switzerland through the narrow viewpoint of American politics is a mistake. People who someone of your political leanings would describe as "wingnut teabaggers" also want to move here because they imagine it as some Federalist paradise, you know, what the USA "should be". To a certain extent they are right - the government is indeed highly decentralized - but in many other aspects it is the complete opposite of their idealized America.

Switzerland (and really, any other country) can't be pigeonholed in such a narrow fashion. Best to experience it for yourself. Meet the locals, meet the people on this forum, and you will get a MUCH better idea of Switzerland and if this move is right for you.
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Re: Moving to liberal CH??

Just a quick point. With the current strength of the Franc, I was chatting to a medical professional here in Basel last night that said that it was quite a challenge for her to find work near the border because most of the hospitals are employing French/German staff for much less than they can get Swiss staff for.
My one co-worker here actually who lives in France just over the border actually joked that he had to find a Swiss carer for his kids as all the French ones were already occupied in Switzerland.

You may find it easier to look for work a little way away from the border because everybody around this part of the world hates to commute.

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Re: Moving to liberal CH??

Ah, this is an interesting thread...OP, don't feel like you have to constantly apologize over your choice of labels or over-explain your intentions, people will ask and poke just to get more info out of you so they can answer you better..

I think from what you wrote things could be really interesting for you and your kids. Re home schooling, you might actually find out that the reasons you had for homeschooling in the US might not apply here, and just immerse your kids into wild Swiss social life of school kids to soak up the lingo and culture fast ...

Re. vegetarianism, in fact, compared to my sausage and klobasa culture at home, CH is totally non meat eating place. It can be very expensive and not so healthy to load on meat every day. Most of my friends and colleagues have meat once or twice a week. Not exactly your typical veggie person for those ideals people opt being vegetarians for, but maybe that's the 75% vegetarianism. Food is not wasted here, which is fab. Resources are thought about, due ecology, but in my opinion more so for economical reasons. Since this country I'd say is the most expensive country I have lived in, so far, aside of London, and it does not compare to Eugene, or at least not in those brackets you might be used to think in, bills are different.

I second the idea of wanting to be a shrink in cities. Boonies are lovely, but no work, usually. Unless you have very specific gov organized schooling. But open a country English school for kids, with some homeschooling ideas, some psy guidance, for local English speaking expats in boonies, and it might work!

I agree with the idea of Frog part being less uptight. Not sure if liberal, not in the sense of what we know from elsewhere, but less micromanaging, and rules sticking. But if liberal means being flexible and tolerant, I am not sure if that is valid all over CH. I do have, however, individual local friends, who are liberal, flexible and not obsessed with rules and putting people into molds. Wouldn't a culture like that, though, slightly inflexible, be a perfect ground for a decent therapy work? Fascinating psy sessions? Maybe a good place for you to learn, as well, and grow? It's always a two way process.

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Ehm..I guess that would not be only Swiss housewives ...do you use vinegar too, to keep the dye on? Lard to shine it? (sorry, OP). I love this way of egg decorating, we do it back home as well.
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Ehm..I guess that would not be only Swiss housewives ...do you use vinegar too, to keep the dye on? Lard to shine it? (sorry, OP). I love this way of egg decorating, we do it back home as well.
Yes to both. (this year didn't have any lard on hand so used ghee, and it worked just as well.) I love going out for a walk on Good Friday to gather the bits of fern and cranesbill and whatnot, trying to imagine how a particular leafy sprig will look on the side of an egg when you get back home.

This year we had the in-laws over, so I made some very red RED red ones as well with no markings, Greek style. Also with onion skins, but you boil the skins up first to make a proper dye instead of just wrapping them around the eggs to boil. Then crack them against each other around the table to see whose is the last egg standing...
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Yes to both. (this year didn't have any lard on hand so used ghee, and it worked just as well.) I love going out for a walk on Good Friday to gather the bits of fern and cranesbill and whatnot, trying to imagine how a particular leafy sprig will look on the side of an egg when you get back home.

This year we had the in-laws over, so I made some very red RED red ones as well with no markings, Greek style. Also with onion skins, but you boil the skins up first to make a proper dye instead of just wrapping them around the eggs to boil. Then crack them against each other around the table to see whose is the last egg standing...
I actually boil the skins, first, too. And if you find violets, press them flat, then wrap the old nylon stocking around an egg with pressed violets and boil them in onion skin dye they will also dye the egg from the violet, leaving the blossom purple, aaaaaah, had some green as well, a few times, from little leaves.

Lard shines the best, and smells divine (again, how very inappropriate in this thread, sorry OP, but I can, I was a vegan for too long, hahahah)..and boiled egg with bacon smell is just heaven. Firn is very nice since eggs come out looking interestingly fossil like...
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Haha, enough of egg decoration, back to topic. Bloody liberal housewives.
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Haha, enough of egg decoration, back to topic. Bloody liberal housewives.
Meanwhile, I'm going to steam to death a bunch of animals this evening (mussels and lobsters, though not together).

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Maybe doing a couch surfing holiday? http://www.couchsurfing.org/
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Bloody liberal housewives.
You certainly mean homemakers, right...

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