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Example: Two weeks ago I came back from the USA with a few packages of an American material for oral surgery in my luggage (correctly declared at the customs counter, mind you). Price in the USA: $7.60 a bottle plus shipping. Customs: a shrug and a grin, "Not even worth filling out the form."
Although OT, I must add that the customs procedure was eased by the fact that I had quite a few odd items in my suitcase, such as an Earth Pan frying pan (special sales at Walmart, $10.60), a cotton clothes line 100 ft. ($4.99), a swiveling spice rack (two at $19.99, but one stayed in Michigan), a dinosaur poop excavation kit (no kidding; that's the crazy stuff my little brother loves; $12.99), a silicone dough spatula ($6.59) and a lint brush ($3.88), to name just a few. I presented my detailed list of 16 items including carefully stapled receipts. Result: see above. Offer cooperation and you'll get it.
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Strange........

The opening post of this thread was about .......ahem ...... something to do with humans consumption of meat and the suffering of animals.

And it`s followed by the price of things from cooking pots, nit-picking the exchange rates of curriencies .....auto repairs ..... salaries .....video games prices .............

So, I take it everyone has their heads in the sand when it comes to actually paying attention to How Your Meat finally arrives in its neat little plastic covered receptacle with a clear label......?

I saw this with a thread of mine ... the one on the VgT magazine ....... completely ignored.

And so ...... the suffering goes on.

But not for humans, only for those without a voice and ability to overcome their problems they are having with the unfortunate turn humans have taken in their occupation of this planet.

If you`ve read this far in my post then I want to add another dimension ......... Last week I happened on a TV documentary filmed in Germany - a chicken factory wholesaler selling 1 1/2 million "Free-range" chickens a week.

Fine. If it was not for how those chickens lived and died.

The "healthy" were harvested....... after living in what looked like at least 10 inches of their own faeces........ for 6 weeks (fed growth hormones to reach adult size in that time). The weak were left behind, still living, stuck in the faeces with broken legs .... and simply scooped up in the "cleaning" process and dumped in containers.

Okay, now that the thread is back on topic ........ cheaper meat production......?
Thanks for the post smoky...Switzerland has many things to be forgiven of...but at least treats its animals in a "relatively" better way that many other so-called "civilized" countries. I could write many things about how meat is in the end poison for the body, and how many people fail to recognize the strange "coincidence" between "All you can eat" mentality and spread of cancer in the western world.
I suggest everybody looks at the movie at http://www.earthlings.com

For the record...I'm not a "tree-hugger", but I understand that for people coming from certain "democratic and civilized" countries everybody that doesn't agree with their consumerist and antropocentric view of the world is tagged as a "socialist tree-hugger".
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Thanks for the post smoky...Switzerland has many things to be forgiven of...but at least treats its animals in a "relatively" better way that many other so-called "civilized" countries. I could write many things about how meat is in the end poison for the body, and how many people fail to recognize the strange "coincidence" between "All you can eat" mentality and spread of cancer in the western world.
I suggest everybody looks at the movie at http://www.earthlings.com

For the record...I'm not a "tree-hugger", but I understand that for people coming from certain "democratic and civilized" countries everybody that doesn't agree with their consumerist and antropocentric view of the world is tagged as a "socialist tree-hugger".
Sorry, I just signed the death contract on your thread .........

If the subject was not so close to the intestines it would have been more widely discussed.

Everyone seems to be afraid to investigate or to have knowledge of how their food arrives in their shopping basket.

I eat meat .. but only sheep. Because I know the farmer who farms the sheep I eat. They live a good natural life, free to roam in the weather, given homeopathic medicines if they are ill, and only get killed to make room for the babies that were born - and to allow for the availability of hay. The sheep is taken away from the others, to a quiet private barn, gently handled ..... and then gets a bolt to the head that knocks it unconscious instantly. Then it is slaughtered.
This meat does not have that "stink" that commercial factory farm meat has.
They also have no fear of humans.... they come running when they see people at the farm.

Oh dear .. now I have put myself off even the Bratwurst that I usually enjoy at a bbq or village fest.... Ja, it`s a slow process of de-conditioning a lifetime of habit and acceptance ... to the changed and sad conditions of this world.
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I eat meat .. but only sheep. Because I know the farmer who farms the sheep I eat. They live a good natural life, free to roam in the weather, given homeopathic medicines if they are ill, and only get killed to make room for the babies that were born - and to allow for the availability of hay.
Gawd, I wish was four years old again, too... Does The Jolly Green Giant also work on that "farm"?
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Old 05.09.2011, 23:07
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Switzerland has many things to be forgiven of...

[...]I could write many things about how meat is in the end poison for the body, and how many people fail to recognize the strange "coincidence" between "All you can eat" mentality and spread of cancer in the western world.[...]
I don't know if you notice the truly annoying derogatory, patronizing tone of your posts. Also your cause-effect reasoning is beyond me. Coincidence between overeating and cancer ? How about:



Or maybe:



Or perhaps:



Actually I don't really know why I'm replying to your post. If I wanted to make strange connections between seemingly unrelated facts I should be reading freakonomics.
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Re: Trying to justify the high prices of things in CH...

Never mind faeces. What about dangling dirty babies within 20cm OF MY FACE. Yes that's right. 20cm OF MY FACE!

Something must be done.

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Strange........

The "healthy" were harvested....... after living in what looked like at least 10 inches of their own faeces........
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Never mind faeces. What about dangling dirty babies within 20cm OF MY FACE. Yes that's right. 20cm OF MY FACE!

Something must be done.

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Do you ever post anything other than this thing (not really sure why the repitition of it) or your passive/aggressive posts about why you'd like us all to feel the same way as you do about life here....?

Have you ever tried aromatherapy?
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Re: Trying to justify the high prices of things in CH...

On reviewing the last few of your posts, you seem unable make a point about anything in response to posts except question their right to be made. Get over it and move on.

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Do you ever post anything other than this thing (not really sure why the repitition of it) or your passive/aggressive posts about why you'd like us all to feel the same way as you do about life here....?

Have you ever tried aromatherapy?
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Do you ever post anything other than this thing (not really sure why the repitition of it) or your passive/aggressive posts about why you'd like us all to feel the same way as you do about life here....?

Have you ever tried aromatherapy?
I'd drop this one, if I were you...
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Re: Trying to justify the high prices of things in CH...

So the high price of things in CH. As humour is clearly not your strong point, got anything on topic to say ?

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So the high price of things in CH.

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errrr..... Because the market seems to stand high pricing and has done for many years?
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Oh, come on guys...I was trying hard to flame the OP, and you're spoiling my fun.
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Oh, come on guys...I was trying hard to flame the OP, and you're spoiling my fun.
I'm done....go for it
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Re: Trying to justify the high prices of things in CH...

....the least you can grant me is a:

"because it has always been thus"

or perhaps

"We don't do that here"

or even

"we don't mind paying high prices for swiss quality"

as a "justification" for high prices ?

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errrr..... Because the market seems to stand high pricing and has done for many years?
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....the least you can grant me is
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The most clear and true piece of economic wisdom i ever got was "the value of something is ONLY the price that somebody is prepared to pay for it"

So its pointless discussing why prices are the way they are. Its the way it is because people are prepared to pay
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Have you ever tried aromatherapy?
Umm, isn't that what baby feces 20cm from your face is?

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Gawd, I wish was four years old again, too... Does The Jolly Green Giant also work on that "farm"?
Gosh - you have 5 fans thanking your for your "useful" posting!

No idea what a farm is? Tis not a "farm" .... tis a real place .... out in the countryside where food is grown.

Real food comes from farms.

Factories produce synthetic stuff which they call "food".

Long long ago there were lots of farms. Now there are "farm" factories.

The Jolly Green Giant? Nein, just a jolly Swiss farmer and his wife... and lots of jolly fat sheep, and real vegetables and fruits.
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Re: Trying to justify the high prices of things in CH...

Indeed. But that says nothing about the forces and regulatory environment. If there is no competition for food and you must eat, then clearly the price will be set by the seller.

Let's consider a country like...Switzerland, and much as I know you hang on my every word, let's instead hear what the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development has to say (my bold):

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Competition policy plays a key role in promoting consumer welfare and market opening. Lack of competition is a main reason for the high prices of many products and services on the Swiss market. Traditionally, Swiss competition policy has been relatively lenient and low profile, allowing a relatively uncompetitive internal market to remain unchallenged. The impact of competition policy on economic development has therefore been at best neutral. As the slow rate of growth becomes an issue, however, a more vigorous approach to competition has been identified as an important factor for improving growth prospects
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The most clear and true piece of economic wisdom i ever got was "the value of something is ONLY the price that somebody is prepared to pay for it"

So its pointless discussing why prices are the way they are. Its the way it is because people are prepared to pay

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Re: Trying to justify the high prices of things in CH...

The hair product I use cost 2.87 Euros at any Real store in Germany.

The exact same product is 11.95 CHF in Coop city.

The product is manufactured in Germany (so right next door)

I cannot fathom any justification except profiteering in this case. sorry.
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