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Fused my electrics

Hi all

Can anyonehelp?

I have moved to a new apartment today fitted a new light and suddenly allthe lights and plugs sockets went out too. Looking at the fuse board theres a main switch which is off and won't let me put it on again

I have taken the light down again so back to as I was so any ideas on how I can get this switch back on again?

The cooker and fridge is working as they are in a separate circuit but nothing else

I have a feeling I have to switch everything off and then on again?

The main fuse reads "fehlerstorm schutzschalter"

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Hi all

Can anyonehelp?

I have moved to a new apartment today fitted a new light and suddenly allthe lights and plugs sockets went out too. Looking at the fuse board theres a main switch which is off and won't let me put it on again

I have taken the light down again so back to as I was so any ideas on how I can get this switch back on again?

The cooker and fridge is working as they are in a separate circuit but nothing else

I have a feeling I have to switch everything off and then on again?

The main fuse reads "fehlerstorm schutzschalter"

Thanks
The "fehlerstorm schutzschalter" is a "residual current (earth leakage) circuit breaker".

Is there a "reset" or "test" button on this breaker?

Typically, if the breaker will not stay in the "on" position when reset, it means that you've introduced a short-circuit into the wiring whilst adding the light, and that the shortcircuit is still there. Make sure that all the wires at the lamp installation are all back the way they were, and that the live lines is not touching anything.

Do proceed with caution

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Re: Fused my electrics

Yes there is a reset but it won't stay in so I guess something is still wrong. I've got it to stay in now by shutting some of the other switches off but i still can't get the switch to go in. I don't see why fitting a light would put all the sockets out of action.
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Yes there is a reset but it won't stay in so I guess something is still wrong. I've got it to stay in now by shutting some of the other switches off but i still can't get the switch to go in. I don't see why fitting a light would put all the sockets out of action.
Because - unlike the UK, for example - Swiss house wiring doesn't tend to separate lighting circuits from socket circuits, they're all lumped together, i.e. there's no ring main for the sockets.

A typical example of this is the "combi" light switch which has a light switch, another switch that switches a wall power socket, and a built-in power socket...
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Old 06.09.2011, 20:18
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Re: Fused my electrics

I'll try a full reset in the morning as kitchen sockets are working but failing that it's a call to the agent. I've fittet dozens of lights in my time so know I did it correctly. Given it's all back to as it was before I'd expect it to work

The little breaker switch seems to pop out at random now also even if I switch everything off.
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Re: Fused my electrics

i have taken a picture of the fuse board.

the main switch just seems to be locked now and wont move up at all. i wonder if its actually faulty.

in this pic the test button is out but its staying in now.

any other suggestions very welcome
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i have taken a picture of the fuse board.

the main switch just seems to be locked now and wont move up at all. i wonder if its actually faulty.

in this pic the test button is out but its staying in now.

any other suggestions very welcome
Its possible that its faulty, but HIGHLY unlikely for the fault in the switch to show up at exactly the time as you fitted a light. As Weejeem said, you probably caused a fault which is still there, maybe you disturbed a wire or loosened a connection.

Call an electrician
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Re: Fused my electrics

The other thing to do is to unplug every other electrical appliance before trying to reset the RCD.

It may be that you had inadvertently overloaded that circuit and the lamp was the 'straw that broke the camel's back'.

And, by doing this, you remove the possibility, though perhaps unlikely, that something else is causing the problem even though you think it's the lamp (I've seen this before).

However, it does appear that you've introduced a short.
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The other thing to do is to unplug every other electrical appliance before trying to reset the RCD.

It may be that you had inadvertently overloaded that circuit and the lamp was the 'straw that broke the camel's back'.

And, by doing this, you remove the possibility, though perhaps unlikely, that something else is causing the problem even though you think it's the lamp (I've seen this before).

However, it does appear that you've introduced a short.
Great point actually, there may be other appliances on that circuit that are always on....fridge, oven, etc etc, take em all off and start again
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The other thing to do is to unplug every other electrical appliance before trying to reset the RCD.

It may be that you had inadvertently overloaded that circuit and the lamp was the 'straw that broke the camel's back'.

And, by doing this, you remove the possibility, though perhaps unlikely, that something else is causing the problem even though you think it's the lamp (I've seen this before).

However, it does appear that you've introduced a short.
We had this from a faulty kitchen appliance.
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Re: Fused my electrics

Hi,

You can't turn those RCD's back on in the way that a normal switch works; if you try to simply turn it on, it wont 'latch' to the ON position.

When the RCD trips, due to a fault, (or pressing the TEST button, which simulates a fault), you need to push the switch fully to the OFF position, then back to the ON postion. Then it will latch in the ON position and (if the fault is not still there) it will stay there.

If there's still a fault, it will immediately trip again. If it still trips, then some electrons are flowing back to earth through another route than the neutral conductor and you will need to fix this/have this fixed. The reasons for this could be wide-ranging.

This functionality is by design, and I've known a few people struggle with this !

Have a play with another RCD in the distribution board, press the trip button and try to simply turn it on. You'll find you have to flick it OFF then ON.

Same reset philosophy generally applies to circuit breakers.

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Re: Fused my electrics

When you call the agent to explain the problem be careful what you say. You may be held responsible for the electricians costs.
Act BLONDE. In fact when the electrician comes be very nice and ask them if the mind putting up your light as your scared of heights and you think a spider is living up there.
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Re: Fused my electrics

Thanks all.

The caretaker came around and said I needed to be strong with the switch. He pushed it up and were back in business.

I was tentative to use too much force incase I broke it and didn't want to put us in complete darkness for a few days


The other switches were easy to push up but this one does need a lot of force.

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He pushed it up and were back in business.
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