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Part Time work as a mom - Which option would you take ?

I am about to negotiate a reduced employment contract with my current manager and have 2 options on the table, I am curious what you would do:

Option1: 80% split over 3 full days and 2 half days (the half days would likely have to be afternoons to maintain consistency with another team member with the same deal).

Option 2: 90% over 4 days. The extra 10% can be made up on a daily basis, on the weekend or through participation at workshops or during travel. I average 6 to 7 overseas trips a year. So, some weeks it would be 80 other weeks it would 110%.

I have been in this role 5 yrs and am from a place where p/t in a role like this is not an option, so any p/t at all in a job like mine is something I would never get at home and I plan to use it while I am here ! Daycare is covered, Dad supports both options and the local grandparents are on call to come in if we need help.

I am unsure because they both have pluses and minuses, just wondering your thoughts as I am sure I have not thought of all the considerations.
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Old 18.09.2011, 11:25
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How about 90% over 5 days? Thats what I did when in similar situation. To me it was a great relief to be able to work shorter days not to have to get stuck in rush hour traffic and things like that. But it depends a lot on your daycare options ofcourse.

Otherwise I think I would choose the 90% over 4 days option.
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Re: Part Time work as a mom - Which option would you take ?

To me this is a decision of time verses money. How much are getting paid these extra 4 hours worth to you/you spending with your kid? Minus extra childcare costs?

Will these extra 4 hours help you in any way in your career path, if that is an option for you?

Its a personal decision.

oh... and the almighty question:

"where do you want to be in 5 years time...."

and how are these 4 hours going to change your path?
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Re: Part Time work as a mom - Which option would you take ?

It depends a little bit on the nature of your work. If it is strictly hourly (eg, if you can realistically expect to walk out the door on the dot of 5:00 each night), I'd consider the 80% solution.

But if the work is 'professional' (eg, you're measured more by expected output than working hours), the 90% solution is much more realistic.

I know tons of working mothers who have opted for a four-day-a-week 80% schedule, which sounds great on paper. In reality, though, they end up working longer days in order to get the work done, and the schedule ends up being 90-95% of the original workload for 80% of the pay!

It sounds like the 90% proposal reflects the fact that you'll work more than a standard 32-hour, 4-day week. If that doesn't bother you, that's the solution I would take.
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How about 90% over 5 days? Thats what I did when in similar situation. To me it was a great relief to be able to work shorter days not to have to get stuck in rush hour traffic and things like that. But it depends a lot on your daycare options ofcourse.

Otherwise I think I would choose the 90% over 4 days option.
I worked that way once, and it felt like working full time, every day commuting to and from work, I may as well have worked 100%!

Also, I really didn't have a job where I could get the work done working 80%. If you can, I would go for 4 days a week. It also means that your colleagues know consistently what day you are not in the office.
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To me this is a decision of time verses money. How much are getting paid these extra 4 hours worth to you/you spending with your kid? Minus extra childcare costs?

Will these extra 4 hours help you in any way in your career path, if that is an option for you?

Its a personal decision.

oh... and the almighty question:

"where do you want to be in 5 years time...."

and how are these 4 hours going to change your path?
All very good points, and exactly why I posted here. I hate to think about the money, but 10% is a fair amount and we like nice things !

As for my career, you hit the nail on the head ! I have no proof but I have a gut feeling that working that extra 10%, and being a bit more flexible will help me as I look to advance. I also don't want to get cut out of important business travel/meetings because it falls on a half day off. I know that at 80 or 90 will still be a full time job but at my firm (sadly) it is all about appearances.

Thanks for your comments, I will give them more thought.
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Old 18.09.2011, 12:49
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Re: Part Time work as a mom - Which option would you take ?

Hi!
I have just opted for 80% myself taking two afternooons off. The idea was mainly to prepare for kindergarten next year and save some money on childcare + start some afternoon activity with my daughter. At the moment I am using the two afternoons to catch up with things so that I don't have to rush on the weekend and I have also started doing some sport.
I am working in a position that would not encompass part time, but this was a necessary step to ensure my psycological and phisical integrity as working full time and taking care of a child and family was driving me crazy (have done so in the past 2 years). But also I think that my daughter growing up will need more of me (at least I hope so) and I want to leave my time for her. It is a big chunk of money, but nothing will pay for the time spent with my daughter not only from the amount point of view but mainly for the quality as I was really stressed and tired before.
Good luck with your decision, I just wanted to share what drove me in taking a similar step
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I know that at 80 or 90 will still be a full time job but at my firm (sadly) it is all about appearances.
This is the case at most firms. How many men do do think work 80% ?
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Old 18.09.2011, 13:07
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Re: Part Time work as a mom - Which option would you take ?

There is one thing though - and that is amount of work. You'll find that at 90% you are basically doing a full time job - people won't cut the amount of work you get and it will be hard to maintain that actual 90% time. But you'll only be paid 90% of a salary. At 80% you have a better chance of being actually given less work to do because it's a full days worth of work a week, although to be fair I also felt like I was really doing a full time job at 80% too. It was not until I cut down to 60% that I noticed a significant drop in my workload.

How old is your child though? I think this makes a difference too. I mean, presumably your reason for wanting to work part time is to spend time with your child (or do things like shopping and house chores so you can be free the whole weekend with them). I think you need to really think about how much time you want to have for your kid(s) too.

This may sound slightly backwards but somehow I felt that when the kids were little they didn't really need me so much - I mean - their needs could be met by anyone - they needed to be fed and changed and cuddled and have a nice place to sleep and play. Now that they are older they are able to express definite opinions - it seems that they need more advice and guidance about things - they want to talk to me after school and they are old enough to say things like: "Mummy I want to come home after school and not go to the Tagesmutter"..... which certainly makes you think and feel very guilty. I guess this will again change as they get older though!

On the career point.... well..... here my experiences have been very negative when it comes to part time working - I have been catagorically told that I cannot be promoted unless I'm willing to work 100% (and not even 80 or 90) and my company is very "pro" in terms of working parents. Whenever you take a part time position you have to be willing to take the risk that your career will suffer, and 80 or 90% doesn't make that much difference really, you'll always be behind those who are doing 100% - which is most people. But that's just my personal experience, maybe other job areas are different.

Good luck with your choice.
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There is one thing though - and that is amount of work. You'll find that at 90% you are basically doing a full time job - people won't cut the amount of work you get and it will be hard to maintain that actual 90% time. But you'll only be paid 90% of a salary. At 80% you have a better chance of being actually given less work to do because it's a full days worth of work a week, although to be fair I also felt like I was really doing a full time job at 80% too. It was not until I cut down to 60% that I noticed a significant drop in my workload.

On the career point.... well..... here my experiences have been very negative when it comes to part time working - I have been catagorically told that I cannot be promoted unless I'm willing to work 100% (and not even 80 or 90) and my company is very "pro" in terms of working parents. Whenever you take a part time position you have to be willing to take the risk that your career will suffer, and 80 or 90% doesn't make that much difference really, you'll always be behind those who are doing 100% - which is most people. But that's just my personal experience, maybe other job areas are different.

Good luck with your choice.
Could not agree more .. my experience also .. except that even on 60%, there was really no appreciable difference in workload. But that was my job .. and your job may be (here's hoping) easier to apportion on a part time basis. But do ask yourself if it is before agreeing to ANY reduction in your salary (and working hours).

I reduced to 60% at first, but as I was doing the same workload but not being paid the same, went up to 80% after 6 months (still same workload).

As for career prospects ..well.. put it this way, I'm now a full time stay at home mother ...
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Old 18.09.2011, 14:32
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I reduced to 60% at first, but as I was doing the same workload but not being paid the same, went up to 80% after 6 months (still same workload).

As for career prospects ..well.. put it this way, I'm now a full time stay at home mother ...
Why the turned down mouth? You are now doing the job you chose to do and do it correctly: be a mother - more important than earning big bucks - as your actions are reflected in future generations and you can hope that your kids don't end up in this priviledged country vanadalising on a Saturday night. I say you made a good decision!
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Why the turned down mouth? You are now doing the job you chose to do and do it correctly: be a mother - more important than earning big bucks - as your actions are reflected in future generations and you can hope that your kids don't end up in this priviledged country vanadalising on a Saturday night. I say you made a good decision!
Thank you. Yes I am happy with being a full time mother but am still angry that I was pushed towards this by the situation in my workplace. I studied and worked really really hard to get to the position I was in and did not expect the choice to have been so stark.
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Re: Part Time work as a mom - Which option would you take ?

fewer days is better. if you have to travel to work every day, then it's barely different from working full time, except that you get paid less.
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Re: Part Time work as a mom - Which option would you take ?

As a young mum, I had no choice due to OH's long hours, but to stay at home. I wish I could have worked part-time, but this was just not possible- and childcare would have cost more than my salary.

Now I have a daughter who has 2 little ones- and her career is 100% (++++). She could 'drop' down the ladder big time and even work part-time, but if she wants (and she does) to continue her career progress that she has worked so hard towards (now a partner in her firm)- she has no choice- and the only way is a full time (qualified) Nanny.
Very glad to hear therefore that YOU have been given that choice- enjoy. I'd go for the 4 days option, especially if you can make day off a Friday or a Monday to have long week-ends.
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I'd go 90% over four days...absolutely...the 10% flexible will easily get used...

For me, work flexibility trumps salary. Consideration from the boss for having sick days or working from home when the kids are sick is also worth at least 10% of my salary...I worked one year where I didn't get any paid leave for sick children, and I lost about 300chf a month in time off work when the kids were sick, and my husband also copped negative comments for taking the occasional day off so that I could go to work and he would look after the kids...

My new employer pays me sick days, or I work from home or take 'flexible' hours and work other times in the week, to make up for needing to be at home - I have three children, one of whom has a serious medical condition that requires 100% monitoring when ill, and I love my paid work! It's a juggling act...always...I have worked around all my children from when they were around 18 months old...

Having one full day when you are not expected 'at the office' will give you a lot of flexibility - and I'd consider also taking childcare that is flexible -if possible, so that if bubs is sick on your normal workday, you can stay home, but do a 'catch up day' on that day when you are normally not expected to be there...

Hope that makes sense, and sorry for the essay...it's an issue very close to my heart!
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Re: Part Time work as a mom - Which option would you take ?

Excellent question.... having lived both options in my ol'day, I would heartily suggest to opt for solution number 2.

The reason being that it's 4 defined days, meaning unless you actually get up and go to work on your day off, you won't be doing loads of over-time.

The issue with half time spread over 5 days in a week is that once you're in the office you never really go home, you just keep working until the job is done. The 5 days part-time quickly become 5 days full-time.

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This is the case at most firms. How many men do do think work 80% ?
In the company I work for there are at least 2 men I know that work 80%. I would say that there is no taboo about it.
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In the company I work for there are at least 2 men I know that work 80%. I would say that there is no taboo about it.
I don't know any men that work part time actually - apart from one who has a health issue and has been signed off. I know a few stay home Dads but all the working Dads I know work full time.

When I went back to work we did discuss about each of us taking part time - so instead of my husband doing 100% and me 60%, doing 80% each. But, it would have meant basically saying goodbye to career advancement for both of us. So it was not an option - I was in fact never really that interested in promotions and stepping up the ladder, although I do want to have an interesting job so seemed easier for me to cut right down. And I have to say that I love working 60% - I get two full days with my kids at home (well, not quite since one is at school now and the other does preschool in the mornings) and I also get to do household stuff in the week so that we don't always have to shop on a Saturday. And at work I never feel tired or bored because, well, I'm not there that much! It's nice, really is.

One other thing to mention, and this depends on your type of job, is that part time work can affect the things you get assigned to do. My area is all project based and of course all the "best" projects - the high profile high importance, and of course most interesting ones require a full time commitment. So basically I only get second rate projects to work on now - the ones that are likely to get cancelled or take ages to finish because nobody is that interested in them. This is one thing I pushed to change - so I worked out a kind of job sharing arrangement so that I could actually work on one of the big projects - this requires more than anything an understanding boss who is willing to try and make adjustments for you.
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Could not agree more .. my experience also .. except that even on 60%, there was really no appreciable difference in workload. But that was my job .. and your job may be (here's hoping) easier to apportion on a part time basis. But do ask yourself if it is before agreeing to ANY reduction in your salary (and working hours).

I reduced to 60% at first, but as I was doing the same workload but not being paid the same, went up to 80% after 6 months (still same workload).

As for career prospects ..well.. put it this way, I'm now a full time stay at home mother ...
You know, I keep hoping to read more success stories here, but as someone who had a solid IT career back in the states, coming here and seeing the tax rates, the salaries and the hurdles women go through to work, it just depresses me to no end reading most of the stories of the real-world experiences here. I suspect that reducing your hours here is just the first step in moving you to full-time something else....
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Why the turned down mouth? You are now doing the job you chose to do and do it correctly: be a mother - more important than earning big bucks - as your actions are reflected in future generations and you can hope that your kids don't end up in this priviledged country vanadalising on a Saturday night. I say you made a good decision!
You know...being in the 21st century, haven't we moved on beyond this sort of thing? My mom was an MD. I was a latchkey kid before it was even a coined term. Kids know when their parents love them whether or not mom works and, frankly, I thought the world of my mother being educated and smart and such. I was also one of those dorks who cooked dinner, did laundry and, well, didn't know what sex was until sr. year of uni...unlike the bitchy housewife's kids down the street who got knocked up jr. year of high school.... I really hate how we are guilted into staying at home as if our imprisonment has something to do with whether or not our kids turn out ok when, in fact, it has little to do with it. Love your kids, and make yourself happy by doing what makes you happy...including doing work outside the home that you love. (sorry, don't mean to start a SAHM war but...I just really hate this sort of admonishment)
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