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New Bosch drill wobbles + did I get Switzerlanded?

I bought a new Bosch drill couple of weeks ago from Jumbo for CHF300 Exact model is PSR18 LI-2. I have been drilling my heart out for last 2 weeks. Well yesterday I drilled a new hole in a brick wall and noticed that the drill bit was rotating off centre. So I thought maybe the drill bit was not attached properly and re-seated it but same problem. Well I took the drill bit out and realized that the actual chuck bit is rotating off centre

Now before I head to Jumbo I thought I would run it by you guys. As it is relatively new drill am I definitely entitled to a replacement or will I face the whole repair spiel?

I needed the drill urgently when I bought it so I looked at Coop DIY for quick price comparison and noticed that the prices were similar so ended up buying at Jumbo for CHF300. Looking on the internet now it seems to me that this drill actually sells for anything from CHF 150 to CHF360? What the hell is that all about? Did I get Switzerlanded? I got the drill in a box with 1 x battery and 1 x battery charger.

What are my options?
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Old 18.09.2011, 13:51
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I bought a new Bosch drill couple of weeks ago from Jumbo for CHF300 Exact model is PSR18 LI-2. I have been drilling my heart out for last 2 weeks. Well yesterday I drilled a new hole in a brick wall and noticed that the drill bit was rotating off centre. So I thought maybe the drill bit was not attached properly and re-seated it but same problem. Well I took the drill bit out and realized that the actual chuck bit is rotating off centre

Now before I head to Jumbo I thought I would run it by you guys. As it is relatively new drill am I definitely entitled to a replacement or will I face the whole repair spiel?

I needed the drill urgently when I bought it so I looked at Coop DIY for quick price comparison and noticed that the prices were similar so ended up buying at Jumbo for CHF300. Looking on the internet now it seems to me that this drill actually sells for anything from CHF 150 to CHF360? What the hell is that all about? Did I get Switzerlanded? I got the drill in a box with 1 x battery and 1 x battery charger.

What are my options?
If you ask very nicely they will replace it, if they want to send it for repair insist on a refund as you need a drill now. Don't leave till you get one or the other, asking for the manager usually fixes any misunderstanding.
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Re: New Bosch drill wobbles + did I get Switzerlanded?

Will let you know how it went. Regarding the price difference it seems it is battery related. So cheapest ones have no batteries and the most expensive ones have two batteries.
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Will let you know how it went. Regarding the price difference it seems it is battery related. So cheapest ones have no batteries and the most expensive ones have two batteries.
In that case just insist on a replacement, they will do it in the end, if you don't take nein for an answer,
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Re: New Bosch drill wobbles + did I get Switzerlanded?

Sun&rain I do not think you have been Switzerlanded (what are you trying to imply with this term).
You simply bought a drill that is not made for drilling in stone walls.
The PSR 18 LI-18 is a cordlose Screwdriver-Drill, it is not made for drilling stone. It has no percussion function and the chuck is not made to take stonedrills.
I would say that because it has no percussion, you had to force the drill to make a hole. Facit, most probebly the jaws of the chuck are broken.
The next time you want to drill holes in stonewalls you should take at least the model PBH 280 RE http://www.bosch-do-it.ch/boptocs2-c...5227/index.htm

When you take your drill back to Jumbo it would be better if you did`nt say you were drilling stonewalls with it.

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Re: New Bosch drill wobbles + did I get Switzerlanded?

If you ARE going to drill a lot don't go for a DIY tool, you'll be much better off with a professional tool, like a Hilti SFH 22-A. I have to say I work for Hilti, so I'm partial for the products my company makes. Here's a good reason to get this (IN CASE you get your money back): significantly higher performance, hammer drilling mode. 15 settings for torque, all the regular bells and whistles and most importantly: 2 year warranty, no questions asked, no proof-of-purchase needed. The warranty includes the batteries and the charger. Thing is: Jumbo doesn't sell Hilti tools. You gotta buy it off a Hilti Store or a Hilti rep.
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Re: New Bosch drill wobbles + did I get Switzerlanded?

I bought a black and decker hammer drill from Jumbo. I used it 3 times drilling into the concrete in the ceiling with no problems. On the forth hole the head literally fell apart. I got it replaced no problem (also manged to keep the bag of goodies it came with but it was still a hassle)..didnt black and decker use to be a good brand
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I bought a black and decker hammer drill from Jumbo. I used it 3 times drilling into the concrete in the ceiling with no problems. On the forth hole the head literally fell apart. I got it replaced no problem (also manged to keep the bag of goodies it came with but it was still a hassle)..didnt black and decker use to be a good brand
...not really, in my book.

As Big Mara says, you always need the appropriate tool for the job.

...and as Caleb says, Hilti stuff is tops.
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Sun&rain I do not think you have been Switzerlanded (what are you trying to imply with this term).
By Switzerlanded I mean when you pay lot more $$$ compared to what others might pay outside Switzerland
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The PSR 18 LI-18 is a cordlose Screwdriver-Drill, it is not made for drilling stone. It has no percussion function and the chuck is not made to take stonedrills.
I just drilled my standard house walls. From what I can tell they are all either brick, concrete or drywall. Do those materials class as stones?
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Re: New Bosch drill wobbles + did I get Switzerlanded?

I work in the anchoring department for the headquarter, so I don't really know from the top of my head. BUT I did spend a while in the US as a sales rep, and they sold there for about US 350 for a kit (incl. battery, charger and small accessories). I would guess in Switzerland it would be a bit more (in general CH has higher prices than the US). I can find out tomorrow and let you know.

If you can't wait until I get online tomorrow morning you can go to their store. Hilti.ch says there's a store here:


Regarding your base materials: no, they are NOT the same as stone, but drilling through drywall should be like going through butter for ANY power tool, cordless or not. Actually newer technology cordless tools (e.g. new gear boxes, Li-Ion batteries) have as much or even MORE power than their corded brethren. Going through regular brick is ALMOST as going through drywall (unless you hit a large charred spot inside solid brick...but I would imagine your house having hollow brick, not solid). Concrete is a whole different beast: it takes a lot more of your tool, and depending on the concrete compressive strength it could be EXTREMELY hard for a DIY cordless tool (your Bosch drill has only 1.5Ah...which means that in spite of the good battery technology the engine power is low...at least compared to the Hilti 2.6Ah one).
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Re: New Bosch drill wobbles + did I get Switzerlanded?

Caleb I probably won't be able to get a refund at Jumbo so might not be able to buy it. Also most major drilling in my house is done now. I will see how it goes with refund/exchange first.
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By Switzerlanded I mean when you pay lot more $$$ compared to what others might pay outside Switzerland
I just drilled my standard house walls. From what I can tell they are all either brick, concrete or drywall. Do those materials class as stones?
Brick and concrete really require a hammer drill and masonry bits of good quality of a standard equal to the job. Tools meant for occasional home use will often not stand up to heavier use.

I have a Bosch PS9 I use for light drilling in plaster, terracotta, metal, plastic and sinking screws. For concrete I have a semi-pro hammer drill for heavy stuff, though concrete with rebar has defeated it on occasion.

...as for your other remark, that's offensive. You have chosen to live here and such an attitude is crapping on your own doorstep.
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...as for your other remark, that's offensive. You have chosen to live here and such an attitude is crapping on your own doorstep.
It's a joke. Why crap on my doorstep only? I crap inside my house too
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It's a joke. Why crap on my doorstep only? I crap inside my house too
..next time try "did I get Jewed?" and see how funny people find it....
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..next time try "did I get Jewed?" and see how funny people find it....
JT, you've really got hold of the wrong end of the stick here (and are beating about the bush with it) To be "Switzerlanded" is not offensive, it's a jokey way that a lot of us have here of saying that some things here are more expensive than other countries. Which is true of course.
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If you ARE going to drill a lot don't go for a DIY tool, you'll be much better off with a professional tool, like a Hilti SFH 22-A. I have to say I work for Hilti, so I'm partial for the products my company makes. Here's a good reason to get this (IN CASE you get your money back): significantly higher performance, hammer drilling mode. 15 settings for torque, all the regular bells and whistles and most importantly: 2 year warranty, no questions asked, no proof-of-purchase needed. The warranty includes the batteries and the charger. Thing is: Jumbo doesn't sell Hilti tools. You gotta buy it off a Hilti Store or a Hilti rep.
Yes, but for middle ground, I have a nice cordless 18V (I think, and also about CHF 150 as I recall) drill I got from Conrad a couple years ago, and it works great (and has hammer mode, convenient as my garages have no electricty).

But yes, I also have professional tools for certain applications (my three torque wrenches, for example), and agree the the expense is worth it IF you need it.

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JT, you've really got hold of the wrong end of the stick here (and are beating about the bush with it) To be "Switzerlanded" is not offensive, it's a jokey way that a lot of us have here of saying that some things here are more expensive than other countries. Which is true of course.
I agree with J_T. It may have started out that way, but it is being used more and more to describe anything negative about Switzerland.

Switzerlanded with a Noise Complaint (from May)

Angry Swiss Dude: You've Been Switzerlanded (post from July)
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Re: New Bosch drill wobbles + did I get Switzerlanded?

Man buy pee-pee rated electric screwdriver
Man try knock hole in rock
Man break pee-pee rated screwdriver
Man cry can't afford man rated rocker-knocker
Man blame whole country he broke pee-pee screwdriver can't buy rocker-knocker
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Man buy pee-pee rated electric screwdriver
Fair enough but I did ask the Bosch guy there if it was good enough for internal house walls ie. brick, concrete and dry wall. He said no problem and it was their best non mains device. He even helped me pick the Bosch concrete, brick and wood drill bits.

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Brick to be precise.

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Debatable

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Can afford but don't have the need any more. I am not a driller by trade.

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WTF! I use the SwitzerlandED part for the price discrepancy and nothing to do with the breaking of the drill part. In UK you can pick it for £90/CHF124. I know we are not in UK but it is still Europe and UK is hardly known for cheap prices.

Btw drill is not broken, it is just not 100% true in it's rotation.
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