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Old 28.09.2011, 14:02
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Swiss coins

I have a question regarding old coins. I friend of mine collects coins, he now has a couple of coins that are from 1935-ish 21K 20CHF 7g value, are these coins worth anything more than their value in gold?

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Old 28.09.2011, 14:22
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Re: Swiss coins

No they're not...
I take it you're talking about the Vreneli?

Search for Vreneli on ricardo and it will tell you how much they cost, they're just gold coins and might trade at a slight premium to gold but not that much.

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Old 28.09.2011, 14:30
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Re: Swiss coins

No, they're not.

Are they actual 1935 coins, by the way, or L1935 (denotes one of the later re-strikes)?

Either way - nope, 'just' their bullion value.
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Re: Swiss coins

There is a shop in Zurich that specialises in gold and silver commemorative coins.
Its on Kirchgasse near Obere Zaune 8001. Not certain that is much help given your location
This may help
http://www.2-clicks-coins.com/coin-d...n-dealers.html
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Re: Swiss coins

Thanks! Nice links!

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No they're not...
I take it you're talking about the Vreneli?

Search for Vreneli on ricardo and it will tell you how much they cost, they're just gold coins and might trade at a slight premium to gold but not that much.

Edit: more info here
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Re: Swiss coins

I'm not a specialist but I think they were "plain" 1935 coins...

I thought he had bought them knowing what he was doing

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No, they're not.

Are they actual 1935 coins, by the way, or L1935 (denotes one of the later re-strikes)?

Either way - nope, 'just' their bullion value.
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Re: Swiss coins

There are some links in this thread where you can see how much old Swiss coins are worth:

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There are some links in this thread where you can see how much old Swiss coins are worth:

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Cool! I'm in the position to get my hands on a 2fr coin from 1902, I couldn't find anything on that site, are you in the business so to speak?
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Re: Swiss coins

There are a lot of Vrenlis in circulation from the early 30's and if they are analysed a high proportion contain dental gold..........

The Swiss received a lot of gold from Nazi Germany as of 1934/5 and it was in forms not easy to store so they decided to make coins from it however they couldn't date all these new coins at tthe same year as this would not look good and people would ask questions so they minted than adn back dated them, hence why 1930's Swiss gold coins are not so rare !

Vrenlis are 0.900 gold (21.6 ct) which is used in continental coins and formerly in American coins, British Sovs and older Canadian coins are slightly higher gold content of 0.9166 which is 22 ct gold. The new Canadian maple leafs are actually what is know as 4 nines gold, or 0.999 purity.

The highestr purity of gold is 0.99999 (5 nines) used in some very specialist electronic applications.

24 carat is not usualy used as it is too soft and would wear too easily unless the coin is only for investment purposes.
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Re: Swiss coins

Interesting reading I'm green as grass when it comes to this area...

the 2fr coing from 1904 (not 1902 like I said earlier) I talked about is not gold at all...
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How do you find dental gold in a coin?
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How do you find dental gold in a coin?
The Germans shipped a lot of gold to Switzelrand as of 1935 onwards for refining.

A lot of German god came from other places than it is usually found for refining if you get my drift.....and if not, think Concentration camps

So much came, that the Swiss had to backdate coins to avoid suspicion.
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A lot of German god came from other places than it is usually found for refining if you get my drift.....and if not, think Concentration camps

So much came, that the Swiss had to backdate coins to avoid suspicion.
That's not proof. C'mon.
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That's not proof. C'mon.
Suggest you read a few history books, it's a proven fact !
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I think he was asking more: how do you detect that it's dental gold when you have the coin in hand. Can you?
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I think he was asking more: how do you detect that it's dental gold when you have the coin in hand. Can you?
Not double guessing, but i realy don't think so.

As for checking it's a little difficult, no visual differences you would need to mayke an indepth analysis of the coins using a spectrometer to detect the abnormalities that are found in dental gold, the alloy is slightly different in composition to normal 21.6ct gold (0.900)
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Not double guessing, but i realy don't think so.

As for checking it's a little difficult, no visual differences you would need to mayke an indepth analysis of the coins using a spectrometer to detect the abnormalities that are found in dental gold, the alloy is slightly different in composition to normal 21.6ct gold (0.900)
How do you detect dental gold in gold coins, where most of the traces of other metals were carefully removed anyway before composing the final alloy? Spectral analysis won't get you very far.

By the way, as far as I know, the back-dated coins all have an "L" in front of the year. The reason for back-dating was not because of Nazi gold, but because in 1937 the former gold parity for coins had been abolished; in order to make clear that the new series of coins still had the gold content according to the old law, they got the old year with the "L", standing for "lingot", the French word for an ingot (English folk etymology from "l'ingot" = "the ingot").
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I think he was asking more: how do you detect that it's dental gold when you have the coin in hand. Can you?
basically no; it is same as the urban legend that a bowl of peanuts in a bar was tested & found to have x different people's urine.
Unfortunately or luckily science is not yet up to the level needed to determine such things.

One complication is that there a lot of different dental gold alloys with different contents (other metals added).

By the time you mix a number of different dental alloys together with some pure gold & make some attempt at extracting only the gold (for example, treating with acid) then you have no chance to determine if there was ever any dental alloy in the mix.
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