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Old 02.10.2011, 22:13
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Re: Age and life

Well, the fact is the past is gone, you could just as well have read it in a book or seen it on TV, the future is not here and even when it gets here it is no longer the future, so you only have the here and now to work with.

...the silly thing is that some peeps are trying desperately not to let go of the past, even though it doesn't exist, while others are trying to jump over their own shadow into the future, which also does not exist, which is actually a good thing because it leaves the here and now an open playground for a few of us to have an unfettered, uncluttered good time.
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Actually, maybe living a hundred years ago could have had some bonuses.

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You talked to EFers? So....it's just moi? Is that some kind of family policy? Or, ignore mods? ok ok.

When I was small, people ate completely different things and valued food differently. I am still a hopeless case in terms of food waste. I can't stand it.
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Old 02.10.2011, 23:22
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Odile, don't keep it quiet. I enjoy too much to agree and to disagree with you!

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Re: Age and life

Fascinating thread... Recently I've often found myself thinking about this topic (a clear sign I've become old! )

I can't help but marvel at my great-grandmother, who was born at the very beginning of the XX century, lived through two world wars, witnessed man land on the moon, was already married when tv became available, witnessed Gandhi and Martin Luther King, and yet... despite her old age at the time, I remember her playing on my first computer when I was a kid. I find the number of things that changed during her lifetime mind-boggling. Had she lived longer, I suspect she would have become a keen wikipedist and would probably have more FB contacts than I do.

But when I think of myself, I am actually happy I was born when I was. Especially technology-wise we were a lucky generation, methinks: we were the first kids to get computers at home, when it was easy enough to program your own games; mobile phones only became mainstream when we were teens (and were so expensive you wouldn't abuse of them), and so did the internet (and it was so novel - and safer - back then, we where among those shaping it, actively contributing to make it the tool it then became).

We were the early adopters of all those things that the new generation of kids takes for granted. But most of all, we were the generation who grew up during the transition, so unlike our parents, we were young and passionate enough to became enamoured with the new technology, but unlike kids today, not only we've mastered the new technology but we also know what life was like before it and thus never became totally dependent on the new technology (we'd be pissed if it disappeared but we'd still be able to survive ). I witnessed the Wikipedia being born and grow - I was a university student back then - and the reason why I fell in love with it was precisely because I knew what the world had been like before such a thing and I wanted that world to change. I started blogging with the earliest blogging platforms as a teen and continued for over a decade, I witnessed the web evolve, the rise and fall of different programming languages... I feel we were the generation directly involved in that revolution.

I have a 11-year old nephew in whose eyes I'm some sort of living dinosaur - and just as fascinating : old enough to tell him when I was his age I was getting used to the 3½-inch diskettes after having using floppies and tapes (CDs would only come later, in my teens), and yet young (cool? I think they're basically synonyms with him) enough to know any new contraption available to the public or have already played any new videogame he acquires. (What scares me most about him, and other kids his age in general, in regards to his relationship with the new technology, is that his parents have a very shallow understanding of the internet and the new technology he regularly uses. As such, I often feel they don't monitor him enough, with the excuse that "he knows a lot more about computers than we do" ...And btw, is it me, or are kids nowadays a lot more reckless with personal safety online than we were? <- now I am properly talking like an oldster! )

Like Grynch, I still find myself completely amazed when I realize kids born in the 90s are actually now in their 20s not in junior high . Comparing myself to them, even if I am less than a decade their senior makes me feel ancient. It's only a matter of time until I start yelling at kids to get off my lawn. Or blog.
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Old 03.10.2011, 09:28
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Not true Odile, you happen to be young.

If you were born circa 1950, the following already existed:
' penicillin (1928)
' polio shots (1952)
' frozen foods (1924)
' Frisbees (1890s)
' credit cards (1950 Diners)
' ball-point pens (1938)
' pantyhose (invention of nylon 1930s)
' air conditioners (1902)
' dishwashers (1950)
' clothes dryers (1915)
As a baby boomer may I just add one comment regards this list?

damn pantyhose !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Old 03.10.2011, 10:11
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Re: Age and life

Now I wouldn't call my self old (relative term) but seeing this video puts age and life experience into a bit of perspective.



Kinda mind blowing, the tv they are watching it on. I want to have kids just to experience them watching this :P
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Old 03.10.2011, 10:12
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OMG, I just sprayed my keyboard with coffee after reading that comic. So true. I'll just go mop up now...
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Old 03.10.2011, 10:17
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Kinda mind blowing, the tv they are watching it on. I want to have kids just to experience them watching this :P
Just don't videotape them and post it on youtube (kid is adorable though I have to admit).

I think that's one privilege of being 'old' in that you grew up long before your parents could post videos of your childhood to the net for later cringing.

It is funny to see Star Wars making such a comeback. Heck, even William-Sonoma has pancake molds, cookie cutters, sandwich cutters, etc. in the Star Wars theme. I've been wondering what age is appropriate to introduce a kid to the movies since I was older than 10 when the first movie came out so...I don't know what it would be like to be 5 or so and watch them for the first time.
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Rather foolishly, I started multiplying my age by certain numbers to see how long ago particular events were in comparison to the years I have subjectively experienced.

To keep it simple, I'll say that I'm 40 years old, born in 1971. I can remember, within my lifetime, a peanut farmer being the most powerful man in the world, Queen Elizabeth II's silver jubilee, the Winter of Discontent, the nuclear hysteria of the early eighties, the war in the Falklands, the Poll Tax riots, the fall of the Berlin wall, the thawing of the nationalist iceberg in the Balkans, 9/11 and the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. So far, so good. None of this seems particularly long ago.

If I multiply my age by two, however, I end up in 1931. Hitler hasn't yet risen to power, the world is gripped by apparently insurmountable economic problems, cinema is still largely silent. This is a mere twice the length of my own memories. There are still plenty of people alive for whom this is merely once the length of their own memories.

Multiply my lifespan and memories by three, and I find myself in a world in which Queen Victoria is still sovereign over the greatest empire the planet has ever seen, Constantinople is still home to a Sultan and Caliph and nobody had ever heard of a detective called Sherlock Holmes. That's just three times my life ago.

Ten times my life ago, the monarchy of England had recently been restored after a rather unpleasant civil war, Rob Roy was a baby, Louis XIV was king of France and Isaac Newton hadn't yet published his Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica.

Twenty times my life ago, Constantinople was still Byzantine, the crusades were in full swing, the king of England spoke French and riding out of a castle in a suit of armour was considered a perfectly reasonable way to conduct warfare.

When thought of as multiples of one's own memories, it all seems so very recent, doesn't it?

I really would not advise our more senior members of the forum to try this. It gets very weird very quickly...
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I remember voting for that peanut farmer
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No idea. I think I read you have grandchildren, but my grandmother was in her 40s when she was a grandmother. She married young, had kids young, and her kids married young, and had kids when they were young.

The other day I was telling a colleague, who is about my age, that when we were young and sent to our room as a punishment, it was boring. How things have changed.

I often view properties where older folks lived. Often there are bookcases filled with books. That seems to have disappeared in the younger generation. I am not entirely convinced the Kindle or iPad is the only reason.
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.....I've been wondering what age is appropriate to introduce a kid to the movies since I was older than 10 when the first movie came out so...I don't know what it would be like to be 5 or so and watch them for the first time.
I've always figured that the old filming style makes old movies less interesting for new generations....I even find this on many old movies I used to like, they have their place, but don't stand up nowadays.

The orgininal 3 Star Wars however, seem to very timeless, There are many videos of young millenia kids watching for the first time and just as mesmerized as I was back in the 80s
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My eight year old son saw an old fashioned telephone the other day, with the round dial that you put your fingers in the hole corresponding to the number you wanted and twisted....then let go.....

He asked - "Dad, why does that telephone have a DVD with holes on the front?"
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I often view properties where older folks lived. Often there are bookcases filled with books.
I wonder if that's why EFers are so often surprised when they meet MN and me at events.

We just sound older because we read older...

(Someone said to me at the weekend that she expected me to be a grumpy, disillusioned sixty something year old.. )
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you're not????????????????? !!

I guess I shoulda stood around that cheese stand longer.
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Re: Age and life

Many years ago I asked my now long-passed grandfather what he did for amusement as a child.

It appears the highlight of a summer's day in Preston Lancashire was to rub goose fat over his body and swim for hours in Preston docks.

I asked wasn't filthy and oily. He smiled and said that the ships were nearly all wooden!

He was borne at the end of the 19th century - before the Wright Brother flew. But before he died, he went to Australia and back by Jumbo Jet. I often wonder if I have seen such changes in my lifetime.

Although not as stark, the changes in health care, technology and lifestyle have been insidious, but even more dramatic...
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I often wonder if I have seen such changes in my lifetime.

Although not as stark, the changes in health care, technology and lifestyle have been insidious, but even more dramatic...
For me, the single most impressive change between my childhood and now has been the internet.

I've always been a nosy curious person, and often used to find myself wondering where freshwater whales could be found, whether Nebraska grew more corn or wheat, what the flag of Mercia looked like or what kind of writing system the Tocharians used.

Until I was thirty, I'd have to jot down my question on a piece of paper then wait until the weekend when I could get the bus into town and walk into the reference section of the local library to find the answer - which might, after all that, not even be there.

Now I can have the answer in seconds, along with all kinds of background and related information which I would never have dreamed of looking for.

You can take back the MP3 player, the flat screen telly, the DVD player and the mobile phone, but please don't take away my access to the biggest library in the world!
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Re: Age and life

i think there must have been loads of changes.

mobile/smart phones
the internet!
globalised supply chain
dotcom boom and bust
probably the biggest global economic disaster in a lifetime (coming soon)
9/11
guantanamo/abu graib
the birth and possibly the collapse of the euro
possibly the creation of a pan-european authoritarian government (coming soon?)
laser eye surgery
viagra
the economic liberation of women
possibly world war III
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