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Old 31.10.2011, 12:53
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not really, but:
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Old 31.10.2011, 12:56
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Re: Watches for mortals

I thought the name of this thread was "Watch the Morals". I was all ready to come in here and get sinful.

Dammit.
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Old 31.10.2011, 13:01
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Yes, indeed. Those non-ETA movements are hand assembled and finished in house by the manufacturers of those high end watches, with their own model numbers. Those original unfinished movements nearly all come from ETA, and of those most are 2824-2, 2896, and 7750.

There are still a few in house movements being made by the likes of Patek Phillipe and IWC, and Omega adds their co-axial system in house. But making new high precision movements from scratch is not economical, even for most high end brands.

And there are loads of watches that say Swiss Made on the dial (and are allowed to by the regulations) and have a Chinese made quartz movement inside.
Jaeger LeCoutre
Rolex
Patek
Audemars Piguet
Zenith
Moser
IWC
Girard-Perregaux

off the top of my head (there are many others)- these are high end brands. They don't use ETA movements (with the exception of some models of IWC). Then there is a long list of really boutique brands with their own movements but that's another price bracket up.

ETA movements are ubiquitous in the industry, but at the high end of things there are still a lot of companies making their own stuff, or at least having it made by specialists.
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Old 31.10.2011, 13:46
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Jaeger LeCoutre
Rolex
Patek
Audemars Piguet
Zenith
Moser
IWC
Girard-Perregaux

off the top of my head (there are many others)- these are high end brands. They don't use ETA movements (with the exception of some models of IWC). Then there is a long list of really boutique brands with their own movements but that's another price bracket up.

ETA movements are ubiquitous in the industry, but at the high end of things there are still a lot of companies making their own stuff, or at least having it made by specialists.
Yes, those are good examples of makers with in house expertise. And maybe a few of the Franck Muller range, too. Even some of those listed have models with movements based on ETA ébauches, though.

And yes, if you go sufficiently high-end-boutique, then there are movements that really are handmade and a-few-of-a-kind.

Of course, between the names you mention and the high end boutiques, it's probably a total of a few thousand watches per annum. I'd love to see decent figures on how many non-ETA/Miyota/Seagull movements are made. But watchmakers are a cagey lot.

Is our hijacking of this thread now able to be marked complete? If so, it's the end of the week and we can retire to the pub.
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Re: Watches for mortals

Save your money.

It's 13:52.
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Is our hijacking of this thread now able to be marked complete? If so, it's the end of the week and we can retire to the pub.
From experience, there's no such thing as sufficient hijacking of a watch thread. So far the OP has actually gotten some good advice, and the side banter has been pretty much factual though off topic. This place is going down the tubes!
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Old 31.10.2011, 13:55
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Save your money.

It's 13:53.
O RLY???

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Old 31.10.2011, 13:56
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Exact would be to say that Swatch is a brand belonging to the same group that owns the company that manufactures nearly all the cheaper, midrange, and expensive Swiss movements.
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Old 31.10.2011, 14:03
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It's the minute minute details which make our posts so entertaining, Ouchboy.
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I thought the name of this thread was "Watch the Morals". I was all ready to come in here and get sinful.

Dammit.
I actually thought it was something about a heavenly being looking out for humans!

I've had a Mondaine watch (the SBB ones) for years and had no problems whatsoever. Probably not 'watch' you're looking for though.
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Old 31.10.2011, 14:49
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From experience, there's no such thing as sufficient hijacking of a watch thread. So far the OP has actually gotten some good advice, and the side banter has been pretty much factual though off topic. This place is going down the tubes!
It's definitely gone downhill since I got here....

And it may or may not be 1449 but I have more than one watch so can never be sure.
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Old 31.10.2011, 15:01
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Save your money.

It's 13:52.
Damn! My watch says it's 3 o'clock.

Anyone want a dodgy watch for a fiver?


(For the geeks, it's got a ETA 2895-1 movement, whatever that means)
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Now, to answer the OP's question: Lausanne is low on watch dealers, but if you hop a train to Geneva, in about 35 minutes you will be within a kilometre of about a hundred watch dealers with prices from CHF 20 and up.
Any specific area of Geneva I should be looking at? I'm afraid the only thing I know there is a fountain
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I actually thought it was something about a heavenly being looking out for humans!

I've had a Mondaine watch (the SBB ones) for years and had no problems whatsoever. Probably not 'watch' you're looking for though.
I would recommend Mondaine strongly as well. The are in the range of of CHF180-250, true Swiss quality and they look nice as well. They are available from SBB at most of the major stations.
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Any specific area of Geneva I should be looking at? I'm afraid the only thing I know there is a fountain
There are a good few shops on the Water-Jet-Thingy side behind the "Patek" store. You can't miss them tbh as there are loads of them...

Good luck in your hunt :-)
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I would recommend Mondaine strongly as well. The are in the range of of CHF180-250, true Swiss quality and they look nice as well. They are available from SBB at most of the major stations.
Have you seen UniformWares' stuff?
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Any specific area of Geneva I should be looking at? I'm afraid the only thing I know there is a fountain
From the station, walk down Rue du Mont Blanc. This contains about 50 watch dealers - well that's possibly an overestimate, but if you threw a brick at random you'd hit one. Then ask directions to Manor, which is a couple hundred metres away. Then ask directions to Globus, another few hundred metres. And on Rue de la Confedération, you will find many more jewellers with gloriously overpriced high end watches in the windows and quite affordable decent watches inside, and in other windows.

You could also (optionally) PM me when you're thinking of coming over and I could give you some pointers over an espresso.
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Re: Watches for mortals

I don't know if I am answering the question, but here goes...

Switzerland is not a cheap place to buy watches. Swiss watches are generally cheaper to buy outside Switzerland, particularly the USA. Admittedly that doesn't have the cachet of buying a watch in Switzerland.

Quartz watches are the most accurate and reliable watches. Also the cheapest. Swatch, Seiko, Casio and Citizen make great quartz watches.

Mechanical watches are more expensive than quartz watches, and require at least as much maintenance. Switzerland makes most of the best brands. Generally if it says Swiss Made or somesuch and you like the look, you are buying a well-made timepiece that you will value. Buying it in Switzerland might cost you more, but it might also increase the personal value.

Top end watches, suprisingly, tend to represent good value for money. Not in resale terms, by and large, or in terms of function or accuracy but in terms of quality of components and workmanship. For example high end watches use sapphire crystal for their watch faces, and this is virtually unbreakable and scratch-proof. You can pretty much track the price tag of top end watches with their standing in the trade. I believe you get what you pay for in this market, more or less, but do bear in mind that these watches represent obsolete technology, albeit obsolete technology that will probably never go out of fashion.

I don't think you are buying fake watches, but just in case, they really are trash. Also a lot of the watches that trade on established luxury brand names are pretty unexceptional timepieces.

Unless you want a top-end watch and you are keen on buying in Switzerland, you will find a good range in Manor, Pfauen, Globus etc. Don't overlook independent shops, though - sometimes they will discount to get rid of stock since they usually have to buy it themselves up front. Also the second user market is a great place to pick up watches at a considerable discount to their new prices, but stick to reputable dealers who can provide boxes and certificates.
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Damn! My watch says it's 3 o'clock.

Anyone want a dodgy watch for a fiver?


(For the geeks, it's got a ETA 2895-1 movement, whatever that means)
An ETA 2895-1 for a fiver? I'll give you a tenner. Can't be fairer than that.
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From the station, walk down Rue du Mont Blanc. This contains about 50 watch dealers - well that's possibly an overestimate, but if you threw a brick at random you'd hit one.
Done. Tissot, 345 CHF in Christ, this one. Thanks for the help, much appreciated.

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