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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

There are some countries where organs are sold and I'd have serious concerns. In UK and CH guidelines are absolutely clear, and I would trust the medical staff to make the right decision.

The question still remains- should people who opt out of donation, should opt out of reception?
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Old 05.03.2011, 06:52
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There are some countries where organs are sold and I'd have serious concerns. In UK and CH guidelines are absolutely clear, and I would trust the medical staff to make the right decision.

The question still remains- should people who opt out of donation, should opt out of reception?
It was sort of late (little one keeps me quite busy). Basically yes, if you don't want to give, then not being on the receiving part is quite fair.

Well, if I'm like 50 and there is no organ for me, then "that's life, if it means that I will be no more". Whereas we speak of a say 5year old i think it's different, then again at that age the little one cannot do much with a grown up organ.

In the past organ shortage was not because there were not enough donors, but rather because organ transplant is a rather difficult science and the matching quota of the two different persons is low.

Say I had an accident and officially and medically death, we speak of hours if my organs are supposed be re-used.

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I do have my hesitations, but also have a the card (for about 3 years) in my wallet. Because when I'm gone there is no use of my organs anyway.
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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

Thanks Armandai.

I do wonder however how many people who are anti-donating would object to being ineligible for reception? As you say it does seem fair enough.

(btw 50 is VERY young - ouch).
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Old 05.03.2011, 12:04
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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

I know 50 is very young - i have a few years to reach that

I'm not 20 or so
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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

It's just that I was 60 the other day, so a bit tetchy on the subject.
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Old 05.03.2011, 18:38
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It's just that I was 60 the other day, so a bit tetchy on the subject.
Congratulations - we all know that women get better by age . Or what do they say about men?
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Old 05.03.2011, 18:48
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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

Well I am about twice the woman I was - does that mean better?
Hmm back to subject, me thinks.
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Old 05.03.2011, 18:53
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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

I got mine at the local chemist. Just the first one I saw! I tried there because that was where I had got my German one. Are there any plans to centralise this I wonder?
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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

Would make sense to at least have a European one - sadly not all EU (+Schengen=Switzerland) have an opt out system.

The Spanish transplant system is one of the most successful in the world, but it still can't meet the demand, as 10% of those needing a transplant die while still on the transplant list.[21] Donations from corpses are anonymous, and a network for communication and transport allows fast extraction and transplant across the country. Under Spanish law, every corpse can provide organs unless the deceased person expressly rejected it. Because family members still can forbid the donation,[22] carefully trained doctors ask the family for permission, making it very similar in practice to the United States system.[23]
In the overwhelming majority of cases, organ donation is not possible for reasons of recipient safety, match failures, or organ condition. Even in Spain, which has the highest organ donation rate in the world, there are only 35.1 actual donors per million people, and there are hundreds of patients on the waiting list.[19] This rate compares to 24.8 per million in Austria, where families are rarely asked to donate organs, and 22.2 per million in France, which—like Spain—has a presumed-consent system.




Well done France and Spain for having the courage to enforce an opt-out system. Sadly as I have a very rare blood group, my bits and pieces are unlikely to find recipients- but you never know.


Question still stand : should those who opt-out, opt-out of receiving?
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Old 05.03.2011, 19:22
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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

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Well done France and Spain for having the courage to enforce an opt-out system. Sadly as I have a very rare blood group, my bits and pieces are unlikely to find recipients- but you never know.
But someone with the same rare blood type, desperate for a kidney and thinking that they will never get one due to their rare blood type, may be extremely grateful one day. I can't understand any argument against organ donation. If you will no longer use your organs and you can saves someone's life... well, it's a no-brainer.

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Question still stand : should those who opt-out, opt-out of receiving?
This I can't answer. If I needed a transplant, I would hope that I would get one as soon as possible. Then again, I'm hugely pro-organ donation. However, when I die, if there's someone who needs one of my organs and is anti-organ donation... well, I'd rather they have it. I think it's selfish not to donate, but most human lives are worth saving, even the selfish ones.
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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

A generous reply- and I agree. However, a total opt-out would make quite a lot of people re-think, perhaps. It would seem to be fair to say that organ donors should have priority in case a choice of recipient has to be made.

People of my blood group can receive from anybody but only give to their own group. Nothing I can do about that.
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People of my blood group can receive from anybody but only give to their own group. Nothing I can do about that.
I was reminded of Voluntarism for individuals / Society when I heard
http://www.ishafoundation.org/Videos (See December 2008 in the archives here) for an enlightening view.

I am 76 and carry the Card for the last 4 yrs. The Medical condition of
the organ matters and not the age I was told.
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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

I was reminded of this thread when I saw an obituary for Claudia Kotter in the paper this morning. She was the founder of an organization to raise awareness for organ donation. She suffered from a rare immune deficiency disease and received a lung transplant a few years ago, but died of heart failure at home last month; she was 30.

As others on this thread have said, it's quite easy to get an organ donation card in Switzerland, here is the link again (incidentially, Swiss Transplant will have an information stand at Paleo next week). The hard part is discussing what your wishes are with family and loved ones, who may be too overwhelmed with grief to make a decision.
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Old 17.07.2011, 16:30
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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

It is so important to do that - my OH, my daughters, family and friends all know that should something happen to me, I've requested that THEY immediately make my wishes known to emergency staff and medics. It's hard to make that decision for relatives, but if they know that it is YOUR wish and that you have requested them to do so - it is much easier, and can be of great comfort, as they'd know a/ that they respected your wishes b/ that they have helped many unfortunate people and even saved a few lives.
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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

Just wanted to reply on this thread regarding whether British people can donate organs in Switzerland, given that they are unable to donate blood due to the potential of CJD transmission.

I emailed swisstransplant.org today and it appears that there is no issue being a donor in Switzerland. Here's the response I got -

"Dear Mr. Moore
Thank you very much for your enquiry. You are still able to be an organ donor. There are very few reasons to exclude someone from being an organ donor, for example an active form of cancer.
In the case that you would become an organ donor, you would then be tested then for transmittable diseases.
I hope this answers your question. If you have any more questions, please feel free to contact us.
Kind regards"
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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

I assumed that Switzerland had the system in place that you are always a donor unless you have stated differently...
I take it that the proposed law change as mentioned in one of the first posts didn't make it? I printed the card just to be sure.
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Just wanted to reply on this thread regarding whether British people can donate organs in Switzerland, given that they are unable to donate blood due to the potential of CJD transmission.

I emailed swisstransplant.org today and it appears that there is no issue being a donor in Switzerland. Here's the response I got -

"Dear Mr. Moore
Thank you very much for your enquiry. You are still able to be an organ donor. There are very few reasons to exclude someone from being an organ donor, for example an active form of cancer.
In the case that you would become an organ donor, you would then be tested then for transmittable diseases.
I hope this answers your question. If you have any more questions, please feel free to contact us.
Kind regards"
Huh. An active form of cancer - so if you've had it and are NED (no evidence of disease), wonder if that means you can be a donor. I'll have to check.

The biggest barrier to organ donation in the US is family members saying no. Not sure if that's the case here as well. So, if it's your wish to donate make sure your family members are well aware of your wishes.
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Just wanted to reply on this thread regarding whether British people can donate organs in Switzerland, given that they are unable to donate blood due to the potential of CJD transmission.

I emailed swisstransplant.org today and it appears that there is no issue being a donor in Switzerland. Here's the response I got -
They ought to ban heavy smokers from being donors.

There was a very sad case recently in the papers when someone urgently in need of a lung transplant got one unwittingly from a heavy smoker.
She developed lung cancer and died soon afterwards.

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They ought to ban heavy smokers from being donors.

There was a very sad case recently in the papers when someone urgently in need of a lung transplant got one unwittingly from a heavy smoker.
She developed lung cancer and died soon afterwards.

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That's awful! You'd think they'd monitor the condition of the lungs. Especially for someone with CF.

But odd things happen -in the US, a child was transplanted with heart and lungs from a non compatable blood type. The doctors thought it was worth the risk and possible with anti rejection drugs. These decisions are somewhere between arrogance and desperation.
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I realise this is a very difficult question : would you therefore refuse donation for yourself and your family, based on the same concerns?
Know the question is 2 years old and not directed at me anyway but, yes my husband and I have both fillled out forms stating that we neither wish to receive or donate our organs.

Reason being that we are not convinced that being "brain dead" means there is no awareness or consciousness left in the body and that the process of dying actually takes many hours. Personally, I would just like to be left in peasce to die undisturbed and can't think of anything worse than having my organs ripped out whilst still aware.

Having said that we are both 60, are prepared for death and realise that every day over a certain age is a gift.
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