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Reason being that we are not convinced that being "brain dead" means there is no awareness or consciousness left in the body and that the process of dying actually takes many hours. Personally, I would just like to be left in peasce to die undisturbed and can't think of anything worse than having my organs ripped out whilst still aware.

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I don't know. It would be quite nice to be aware and to know that your organs were going to be used for some good after dying.

(Unless they were headed for the local Findus factory).
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Know the question is 2 years old and not directed at me anyway but, yes my husband and I have both fillled out forms stating that we neither wish to receive or donate our organs.

Reason being that we are not convinced that being "brain dead" means there is no awareness or consciousness left in the body and that the process of dying actually takes many hours. Personally, I would just like to be left in peasce to die undisturbed and can't think of anything worse than having my organs ripped out whilst still aware.

Having said that we are both 60, are prepared for death and realise that every day over a certain age is a gift.
This is a point of view I find difficult to understand- but this is neither here nor there. I do admire your honesty in also stating that you do NOT wish to be recipients. I do have a problem with those who do want to receive, for themselves and their family, but refuse to be donors. Do you have children or grand-children? Do you feel the same about them not being at the receiving end? Thanks for your honesty.
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This is a point of view I find difficult to understand- but this is neither here nor there. I do admire your honesty in also stating that you do NOT wish to be recipients. I do have a problem with those who do want to receive, for themselves and their family, but refuse to be donors. Do you have children or grand-children? Do you feel the same about them not being at the receiving end? Thanks for your honesty.
My sons are 24 & 26 and the younger one filled out a form a few days ago (Patienten Verfügung), that also contained questions on organ donation. He was unsure about this part and left it open for the moment. The older one will probably also be undecided.

As they are old enough to decide for themselves, I would respect their wishes. Had they been children, I'm really not sure what I would have decided upon.

Personally, I find organ transplantation somewhat macabre and unethical and for the benefit of a few priviledged westerners who might, because of this, live a few more years in an already overpopulated world.
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I don't know. It would be quite nice to be aware and to know that your organs were going to be used for some good after dying.

(Unless they were headed for the local Findus factory).

Not (ultimate horror), if you can still FEEL the pain.
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Personally, I find organ transplantation somewhat macabre and unethical and for the benefit of a few priviledged westerners who might, because of this, live a few more years in an already overpopulated world.
If you simply think it's freaky and really don't like the idea of it, fair enough.

However, you're misguided if you're under the impression that organ transplant recipients are all older people, who want to grind out a few extra years after getting their new heart/kidney/whatever. In contrast, most are relatively young, and have a long life expectancy after receiving a donor organ.

Also, I don't think being against organ donation on the grounds that it will help population control makes a whole lot of sense. I'd agree that the world is overpopulated, but surely getting birth rates under control is a more sensible way to handle that.
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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

Enaj do you have children or grand-children? For many people, this makes a huge difference.
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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

I find the notion of 'deserving' and 'undeserving' recipients rather disturbing.

Surely the decision to give somebody an organ transplant should be based purely on clinical factors, regardless of any other moral considerations?
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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

I respect each opinion and one should be able to do what ever they want with their body once dead. For me, I see it as a possibility to save lives with organs I won't need anymore. So take everything you need and make sure to make a good use of them.
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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

The most important thing is to let your closest family know your wishes. I too have a hard time understanding the decision to not want to donate one's organs. I see it though through the perspective of a mother with a 6 year old daughter with a rare kidney disorder. A kidney transplant could be a very real possibility in the future for her.
A transplant does not only give a person a second chance, but also in most cases relieves incredible long-term suffering and pain. So if by any chance there is any pain (which I don't believe myself) in removing organs from a dying/ brain dead person, those few minutes of suffering would be nothing compared to what a person with failing organs has to go through.

A question to those who choose not to donate: Would you consider bone marrow donation? It's very simple to register to be a donor- just have to send in a few swabs. It also saves lives and ends suffering and you don't have to be dead to do it.
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The most important thing is to let your closest family know your wishes. I too have a hard time understanding the decision to not want to donate one's organs. I see it though through the perspective of a mother with a 6 year old daughter with a rare kidney disorder. A kidney transplant could be a very real possibility in the future for her.
A transplant does not only give a person a second chance, but also in most cases relieves incredible long-term suffering and pain. So if by any chance there is any pain (which I don't believe myself) in removing organs from a dying/ brain dead person, those few minutes of suffering would be nothing compared to what a person with failing organs has to go through.

A question to those who choose not to donate: Would you consider bone marrow donation? It's very simple to register to be a donor- just have to send in a few swabs. It also saves lives and ends suffering and you don't have to be dead to do it.
My aunt had both kidneys transplant few years ago and I am very grateful for the person who saved her life. She wasn't young but it gave her the chance to live a much longer life and see her grand children. Thank goodness my dad is now cancer free but if I had too, I would have give him bone marrow immediately.
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Enaj do you have children or grand-children? For many people, this makes a huge difference.
See post 43. It doesn't/wouldn't make any difference to my decision.
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A question to those who choose not to donate: Would you consider bone marrow donation? It's very simple to register to be a donor- just have to send in a few swabs. It also saves lives and ends suffering and you don't have to be dead to do it.

Yes, I would consider being a bone marrow donor or donating ONE kidney whilst still alive.
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So if by any chance there is any pain (which I don't believe myself) in removing organs from a dying/ brain dead person, those few minutes of suffering would be nothing compared to what a person with failing organs has to go through.
There have been reports of relatives going to view the body of a deceased family member after organ removal and the look of agony and pain on the face of the deceased has haunted the family (usually the mother), for the rest of her life. In one particular case, the mother had dreams over years in which the dead son appeared and recriminated with her for letting him down in his final hours.
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There have been reports of relatives going to view the body of a deceased family member after organ removal and the look of agony and pain on the face of the deceased has haunted the family (usually the mother), for the rest of her life. In one particular case, the mother had dreams over years in which the dead son appeared and recriminated with her for letting him down in his final hours.
Any chance of a link to any of these reports?
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There have been reports of relatives going to view the body of a deceased family member after organ removal and the look of agony and pain on the face of the deceased has haunted the family (usually the mother), for the rest of her life. In one particular case, the mother had dreams over years in which the dead son appeared and recriminated with her for letting him down in his final hours.
Did you see that documentary about the man who lost his hand in an accident and then had the hand of an executed murderer sewn on instead?

The hand had a life of it's own with horrific consequences.
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I find the notion of 'deserving' and 'undeserving' recipients rather disturbing.

Surely the decision to give somebody an organ transplant should be based purely on clinical factors, regardless of any other moral considerations?
True. But am not convinced this is the case.

I trained as a nurse albeit in the early 1970s, and worked for a time on a renal/dialysis unit which also did kidney transplants. One particular case stands out in my memory because of the absolute injustice of the decision not to put the patient on the waiting list for a transplant. This because the 22 year male potential recipient hadn't worked for the past 2 years and because he was considered to be too nervous and emotional. So he died.

The fact that he hadn't worked because he had been too ill, and that he was nervous and emotional and didn't want to die because he had been married only for one year and had a young child didn't enter the equation.

I think at this point I lost hope in human nature.
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Any chance of a link to any of these reports?
I don't do links because I don't know how but the reports I read appeared in the"Naturlich Magazine" 2-3 years ago and again quite recently.
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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

Something for those with donor cards to consider is the request for a general anaesethic if, and when, the time comes to donate your organs.

Because there is such a fine line between brain dead, dead and dying, there is always room for error. Many doctors are not convinced that brain dead is actually dead and will therefore agree to, or recommend g.a. before organ removal.
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The most important thing is to let your closest family know your wishes. I too have a hard time understanding the decision to not want to donate one's organs. I see it though through the perspective of a mother with a 6 year old daughter with a rare kidney disorder. A kidney transplant could be a very real possibility in the future for her.
A transplant does not only give a person a second chance, but also in most cases relieves incredible long-term suffering and pain. So if by any chance there is any pain (which I don't believe myself) in removing organs from a dying/ brain dead person, those few minutes of suffering would be nothing compared to what a person with failing organs has to go through.

A question to those who choose not to donate: Would you consider bone marrow donation? It's very simple to register to be a donor- just have to send in a few swabs. It also saves lives and ends suffering and you don't have to be dead to do it.
If and when your daughter needs a transplant, have either you or your husband/partner considered donating one of your own kidneys instead of relying on an unknown donor to go through "a few minutes of suffering" on your behalf?

Am not unsympathetic to your daughter's suffering or to the needs of those waiting for organs but then again do think that the needs of the dying also need to be considered.
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If and when your daughter needs a transplant, have either you or your husband/partner considered donating one of your own kidneys instead of relying on an unknown donor to go through "a few minutes of suffering" on your behalf?

Am not unsympathetic to your daughter's suffering or to the needs of those waiting for organs but then again do think that the needs of the dying also need to be considered.
If they are a match which is not always the case.
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