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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

I can assure you that most if not all doctors who work in organ donation are very sure of the difference, and know the amazing benefits of organ donation for the vast majority of recipients. I am very surprised that if you worked with patients needing kidney donation, you wouldn't be able to balance the one bad 'choice' you mentioned (although I have to wonder which country that was in??? discriminating against a young father would not be acceptable in most, just because he is unemployed?!) - with the vast number of those who benefited from a new life, for many years- to enjoy their life, their family and friends. Including so many children too.

There is only one case of organ donation I just did not agree about, and that was for Georgie Best - if only that liver had gone to someone else instead of being totally wasted.

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And of course, bone marrow, liver and kidney donors do not have to be cadavers.
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And of course, bone marrow, liver and kidney donors do not have to be cadavers.
If one wants to donate bone marrow, you can go here for further info:
http://www.knochenmark.ch/de/leukaem...plantation.htm

Unfortunately, it doesn't look like they have an English version of their website.
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Am not unsympathetic to your daughter's suffering or to the needs of those waiting for organs but then again do think that the needs of the dying also need to be considered.
And that's why it is important to talk about your wishes with your relatives whether it be to donate, and what, or not.
I was just stating my opinion about donation. I don't judge others about the decisions they make. And of course we would be the first to donate a kidney (if it ever came down to it I would give any part of me to save my child- I can't imagine a mother that wouldn't).
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There is only one case of organ donation I just did not agree about, and that was for Georgie Best - if only that liver had gone to someone else instead of being totally wasted.
That's right, Odile: the filthy drunken paddy bastard should have been left to die in the gutter. It's what he deserved!

You know some woolly-minded bleeding heart liberals consider alcoholism to be a disease? Fancy that! I don't know what the world's coming to...
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That's right, Odile: the filthy drunken paddy bastard should have been left to die in the gutter. It's what he deserved!

You know some woolly-minded bleeding heart liberals consider alcoholism to be a disease? Fancy that! I don't know what the world's coming to...
*sigh*
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*sigh*
What do you think, Sapin? Should George Best have received a liver transplant or not?
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Who's George Best?
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Who's George Best?
A recipient of a liver transplant who used to play football.

He's dead now, though.
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A recipient of a liver transplant who used to play football.

He's dead now, though.
An alcoholic, taking a liver which could have gone to someone who didn't destroy their own liver by stupid means with the likelihood of destroying the transplant? Of course assuming his status as a famous icon would have helped. Personally, I think that if there had been someone the waiting list that hadnt destroyed their liver by binging, it should've gone to them.

Surely that's common sense, but I sighed because of the way you jump on people's posts to have little digs. Just sayin'.
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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

George Best's doctors - and I - disagree.

There's nothing little about the dig I made, either: the notion of denying medical care to 'undeserving' patients is a pretty big ethical matter. I find it repugnant myself, and am prepared to say so even if it attracts red blobs with snippy comments.
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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

Don't give him a liver, it's his fault he needed a transplant. No hearts for fat people. Actually, no surgery for them full stop. No treatment for people who injure themselves skiing. They didn't need to ski. Their fault.

And for those who are injured in traffic accidents, they should have taken the bus.

etc.

I'm going to write "none of my organs should go to people whose own organs actually need replacing as it's their own stupid fault" on my organ donation card. I think I'll donate them to an art gallery instead. My bleeding heart would look cool in a glass case.
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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

This discussion is why I'm 1000% in favor of the following article:

http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/810_21/a17.html

There will always be difficulties in finding common ground on who should and who shouldn't receive vital organs, which is why a clear rule (see link above) is necessary.
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I can assure you that most if not all doctors who work in organ donation are very sure of the difference, .

I am very surprised that if you worked with patients needing kidney donation, you wouldn't be able to balance the one bad 'choice' you mentioned (although I have to wonder which country that was in??? discriminating against a young father would not be acceptable in most, just because he is unemployed?!
And I suppose you know them all???

The country was UK although I DID state in the early 1970s, (at which time you were probably a stuck at home housewife.)

If only you would try to forget the fact that you were once a teacher and give up teaching over the internet because although I am almost the same age as you,I have very different life experiences and insights to you.
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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

Livers for transplant are in very short supply - because because do not donate in sufficient numbers. Same for other organs. Everytime an organ comes up for donation, doctors do have to 'play god' and decide, who, on the very long waiting list, and if several are OK for match, is going to receive said organ. You obviously have never been in that situation on having to decide, have you? It can be very very hard.

Georgie Best was on the road to destruction, and older, without young children, If I remember correctly. He was chosen as a recipient due to his fame - when that liver could have gone to someone else, who perhaps died for lack of a transplant. Doctors have to decide a/ who has the best chance of the transplant not being rejected, based on age, lifestyle, general fitness, and also personal and family circumstances. A young parent, otherwise fit, will always have precedence over an older person who smokes or drinks, or is indeed obese. Sounds tough and unfair perhaps, but that is the reality out there. And it makes sense, if you take a couple of minutes to think about it. In the absence of sufficient donors, it will always be the case. And even then, it is definitely not cost effective, in man power, hospital/theatre space, etc, etc, - to transplant people who, by experience, have very little chance of survival due to other health/lifestyle factors. I've been very close to the tranplant system, and know how agonising the decision can be for the medical staff, and how it can play in their mind and hearts for a very long time, wondering if they made the right decision.

In the face of the huge lack of suitable organs, due to too many refusing to donate (and I really feel it is time the UK went for an opting-out system, rather than opt-in) - I see nothing distasteful in saying that people who opt out, should opt out both ways. It might make some people think about organ donation a bit more and perhaps become card holders. If you want to become an organ donor- make sure your relatives know how you feel and tell them to volunteer your organs - as many go to waste, as doctors do not have the courage to ask when faced with grieving relatives. Would be wonderful to have sufficient organs to transplant for all, but the reality is that there is a huge shortage, and choices have to be made, day in, day out.
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Don't give him a liver, it's his fault he needed a transplant. No hearts for fat people. Actually, no surgery for them full stop. No treatment for people who injure themselves skiing. They didn't need to ski. Their fault.

And for those who are injured in traffic accidents, they should have taken the bus.

etc.

I'm going to write "none of my organs should go to people whose own organs actually need replacing as it's their own stupid fault" on my organ donation card. I think I'll donate them to an art gallery instead. My bleeding heart would look cool in a glass case.
I can understand your anger Adrian - but it is always the case that choices have to be made. The choice of a younger and otherwise fitter person, with a positive and healthy attitude/lifestyle, and perhaps with family commitments, actually makes sense from the medical point of view, not as a form of prejudice - to chose the person with the best chances. Even with knee replacements, which can be made in sufficient numbers, operating someone who is very unfit and obese does not always make sense - as from experience, they are unlikely to benefit anyway.
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Re: Swiss Organ Donor Card

For some random reason I thought about organ donation. I assumed that because I carry my US license and am an organ donor that it would automatically be accepted here but apparently not! It only took me a couple minutes and a printer.

If you assumed the same as me you should check it out here:

http://www.swisstransplant.org/eng/

Best Regards,

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Discussion/Lecture: "Fragen der Medizin heute - Wachkoma, Hirntod und Organtransplantation",( Questions in modern medicine: Waking state coma, brain death and organ transplantation by dr. med. Christian Schopper.

Basel: Scala Basel, Freiestrasse 89. on Wednesday 19th February 2014 at 20.00 hours

Bern: PHBern, Helvetiaplatz 2 on Friday 10 January 2014 at 20.00 hours.

Zürich: Alterszentrum Hottingen, Asylzentrum 26. On Wednesday 19th March 2014 at 15.15 and 19.30 hours.

If anyone is interested!
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Just ordered some cards.
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Just ordered some cards.
As an aside: I always assumed that Switzerland and/or France wouldn't be much interested in my organs since I lived in the UK during 1980-96 and thus cannot donate blood, and that organ donation would fall under much the same rules.
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