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Looking for some information regarding Carpentry in Switzerland

Hi there! I require some information about Carpentry in Switzerland because in the future when I'm more prepared (and hopefully employable), I plan to move over and live with my girlfriend.

I'm from Canada, so surely there will be differences in how things are approached, and what a carpenter is capable of doing. I have apprenticed in a company where we are required to:
-lay out and pour the concrete footings
-frame the house
-insulate and vapour barrier the house
-finish the house (flooring, tile, drywall, doors, windows, trimming/casing etc.)
-side the house

Now here, there are companies that do most of the work themselves, but there are also companies that just deal with one specific area such as the finishing, or the framing of the house. My question is, in Switzerland, are Carpenters very specific in what they do (specialize in one area) or do some of them do it all?

I will be in Switzerland for a month at Christmas time, so I will do my best to speak with some people at that point but in the meantime I am trying to take any step I can towards being more employable.

Now - the biggest thing of course is the language. I am just beginning German so I will have to heavily rely on an employer that speaks English. Are there younger people in the trades these days who are more likely to speak English than the older generation?

Any information on the subject would be greatly appreciated!! Thank you so much.

-Spencer
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Now - the biggest thing of course is the language.
To be honest, I think the biggest headache will be your permit. Do you hold Swiss or EU nationality? Non-EU people have a sod of a job to get a work permit given the fact that the Swiss are obliged to first hunt out a Swiss and/or EU national for a position of employment before going through the hassle of arranging work documents, etc., for a non-EU person.
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To be honest, I think the biggest headache will be your permit. Do you hold Swiss or EU nationality? Non-EU people have a sod of a job to get a work permit given the fact that the Swiss are obliged to first hunt out a Swiss and/or EU national for a position of employment before going through the hassle of arranging work documents, etc., for a non-EU person.
I do not hold either - but my girlfriend is Swiss and at the time I come over could be married. Even after marriage is it difficult to obtain a work permit? Thanks for the reply!
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I do not hold either - but my girlfriend is Swiss and at the time I come over could be married. Even after marriage is it difficult to obtain a work permit? Thanks for the reply!
Marriage will definitely make the residence/work permit situation easier.
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Re: Looking for some information regarding Carpentry in Switzerland

Many carpenters here are small family firms and do everything.
Timber frame houses are quite rare.....
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Timber frame houses are quite rare.....
I think they are quite common here. Historically most farmhouses are timber framed, many survive in that form and there is alot of work renovating them.
Google Fachwerkhaus or holzhaus schweiz.
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Re: Looking for some information regarding Carpentry in Switzerland

You will be suprised the first time you hear chain saws when they build houses. Finding a job around where I am would be really hard as most are given to apprenticeships. Of couse being married you can start an apprenticeship all over and go to classes but it doesn't pay much till your finished. Not much you learned will work here. A person can always try but you have to compete against those who have went through apprenticeships already for they way it's done here. Most all are specialized and very good. It will all come down to finding the right person to accept you that needs help and can't find anyone, with a B permit from being married it will help. Best if you started over, I knew two guys that did that, while their wife worked.
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You will be suprised the first time you hear chain saws when they build houses. Finding a job around where I am would be really hard as most are given to apprenticeships. Of couse being married you can start an apprenticeship all over and go to classes but it doesn't pay much till your finished. Not much you learned will work here. A person can always try but you have to compete against those who have went through apprenticeships already for they way it's done here. Most all are specialized and very good. It will all come down to finding the right person to accept you that needs help and can't find anyone, with a B permit from being married it will help. Best if you started over, I knew two guys that did that, while their wife worked.
Thanks a lot that helps. I know what you mean, in an industry where there isn't an endless supply of jobs you have to be able to compete....and not knowing the different processes of building/renovating houses I would struggle. I'm certainly open to starting over if need be, do you know if in the Zurich area there is much construction going on? With Switzerland not being too large of a country I figure there is more work in renovating then new houses.
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Re: Looking for some information regarding Carpentry in Switzerland

There is a massive amount of construction going on around Zurich city, usually tower blocks with lots of overseas labour. Timber framed houses are more popular in surrounding regions, where space is cheaper. Many of these timber framed houses come from Germany, sometimes with teams of specialists from the manufacturer doing the build up.
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I think they are quite common here. Historically most farmhouses are timber framed, many survive in that form and there is alot of work renovating them.
Google Fachwerkhaus or holzhaus schweiz.
I am not sure you understand the term "timber frame" versus timber built houses...
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Thanks a lot that helps. I know what you mean, in an industry where there isn't an endless supply of jobs you have to be able to compete....and not knowing the different processes of building/renovating houses I would struggle. I'm certainly open to starting over if need be, do you know if in the Zurich area there is much construction going on? With Switzerland not being too large of a country I figure there is more work in renovating then new houses.
Sorry by me all the houses are built with clay blocks or concrete. With floor heating every house seems to have cement floors, only wood work done is the roof framing. Windows are put in by the window company. The only totally wood houses I have seen come in on trucks already built and put together on site. There is alot of houses being built and you can spot them by the cranes standing up in the area. By me they tear one house down (which is a really nice house) and built a bigger multi family house.
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Re: Looking for some information regarding Carpentry in Switzerland

There are two types of woodworkers here.

One is Schreiner - does "fine" work, kitchens, doors, windows, furniture, etc.

The other is Zimmerman - does "rough" work - roof trusses, house-frames, etc.

My grandson has just started his apprenticeship as a Schreiner, he earns about Sfr500 a month, takes 5 years to complete.

Your best bet, imo, would be to get a job with a building firm as a labourer, "Handlanger" - you get to run around fetching stuff for the others, and you get to learn the language quickly. You`d earn more than an apprentice, about Sfr3,500, and you can then study and further qualify yourself. Huh? Just an idea - from Gran.
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Sorry by me all the houses are built with clay blocks or concrete. With floor heating every house seems to have cement floors, only wood work done is the roof framing. Windows are put in by the window company. The only totally wood houses I have seen come in on trucks already built and put together on site. There is alot of houses being built and you can spot them by the cranes standing up in the area. By me they tear one house down (which is a really nice house) and built a bigger multi family house.

....try chalets.....
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Of course the expensive ones are concreat with old wood cladding. The old wood gets imported & is probably twice the cost of new wood. In Verbier loads of new chalets get built this way.
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