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Old 12.10.2012, 21:28
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Border crossing documentation

When popping across the border for a spot of shopping, what ID is mandatory and what is accepted (in case they are different things)?

What is behind the question is that the local bus to St Louis was stopped by border guards last week who did a walk through and requested several people to show ID. I only usually carry my drivers licence as its more convenient than passport or ausweis and i assume that as its government issued photo ID, its ok for Schengen border crossing. Is that right?
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Old 12.10.2012, 21:37
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Re: Border crossing documentation

Being a non-EU, I carry my CH Permit ( as well as my passport which I have been asked for at times especially coming from the Czech Republic into Germany ), which was good enough for 95% of the time I cross borders overland.

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I have a Swiss residence permit. Do I still require a visa for the Schengen area? What about Great Britain and Ireland?

The agreement with the Schengen member states came into operational force on 12 December 2008.

Third state nationals in possession of a Swiss permit B, C, L and Ci may visit the Schengen area for up to 90 days without a visa, providing they carry with them their foreign nationals permit and a valid travel document.
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Old 12.10.2012, 21:41
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Re: Border crossing documentation

Apparently you don't need to take your passport or national ID card with you, but you do really... http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens...n/index_en.htm
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Old 12.10.2012, 21:44
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Re: Border crossing documentation

The only paperwork needed is a copy of Blick open at the totty page.

If approached by an official, just a smile, a gruezi and a quick butchers at fair maiden should do the trick.
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Old 12.10.2012, 21:51
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Re: Border crossing documentation

I carry my Swiss ID, all else is optional.

When I didn't have a Swiss ID, I only carried my US passport, never my permit.

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Old 12.10.2012, 21:54
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Re: Border crossing documentation

I have my driving licence with me if I'm driving, but otherwise I don't bother.

I never take my permit or passport with me unless it's a long trip (e.g. back to the UK or on holiday somewhere) and the few times I've been stopped at the border I've never been asked for any ID.
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Apparently you don't need to take your passport or national ID card with you, but you do really... http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens...n/index_en.htm
So the conversation goes something like this?

Hans - I need to see some ID

Me - here is my driving licence

H - no, i need something more formal

M - no, i am an eu citizen. I may travel freely without one. Step away sir

H - how do i know you are an EU citizen?

M - (feeling less confident) ...errrrr......because here is my driving licence?

H - no, that isn't enough to prove identity. It says so in my book of rules

M - oh shite...
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Old 12.10.2012, 22:15
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Re: Border crossing documentation

I carry my driving licence and the 2-3 times I've been stopped its been accepted. My permit is only necessary on the German side if I want to get my tax forms stamped.
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Old 12.10.2012, 23:22
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My permit is only necessary on the German side if I want to get my tax forms stamped.
Indeed, that was the only time I ever needed mine (and for some strange reason had it with me).

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Re: Border crossing documentation

My Ex who was Swiss only had a halbtax SBB card, it was enough !
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Re: Border crossing documentation

If you are a non EU you should take your Shengen Visa AND you need to take your passport, or Swiss ID. This Swiss website does NOT state that a driving licence or a residence permit alone is good enough identification,

https://www.ch.ch/en/travelling-abroad/
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M - no, i am an eu citizen. I may travel freely without one. Step away sir
As a EU citizen you are allowed to travel freely, but you are not allowed to travel freely without ID. If you travel to a country that requires you to have an ID on you at all times you still will need to comply.

I remember turning 12 and receiving my first ID card, and being told that from now on I had to make sure I always carried it on me.
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Re: Border crossing documentation

Certainly at the moment, border guards have been much more present at the Border Post. They will wave through anyone they know to be locals and stop everybody else and ask questions and papers - in the present circumstances, I would not chance going over the border without ID card or passport and permit if applicable. They have also increased the frequency of train checks and smalle routes without a border post.
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Certainly at the moment, border guards have been much more present at the Border Post. They will wave through anyone they know to be locals and stop everybody else and ask questions and papers - in the present circumstances, I would not chance going over the border without ID card or passport and permit if applicable. They have also increased the frequency of train checks and smalle routes without a border post.
I have a car on foreign plates, a ver foreign looking wife and not been stopped at all - what I see is that they continue to check 90% the people they know are local Swiss for the shopping going on in Germany. They do probably check anyone remotely middle eastern... But that's a tiny number compared to the checks for customs reasons.
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I have a car on foreign plates, a ver foreign looking wife and not been stopped at all - what I see is that they continue to check 90% the people they know are local Swiss for the shopping going on in Germany. They do probably check anyone remotely middle eastern... But that's a tiny number compared to the checks for customs reasons.
I've never been stopped, but my Ticinese wife several times.

And her late boyfriend was a customs dude (maybe that explains it).

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Old 12.12.2015, 16:09
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So the conversation goes something like this?

Hans - I need to see some ID

Me - here is my driving licence

H - no, i need something more formal

M - no, i am an eu citizen. I may travel freely without one. Step away sir

H - how do i know you are an EU citizen?

M - (feeling less confident) ...errrrr......because here is my driving licence?

H - no, that isn't enough to prove identity. It says so in my book of rules

M - oh shite...
Yep... your driving licence doesn't prove your nationality. Carry your Permit, Passport or Official ID travel/passport type card.
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Re: Border crossing documentation

I always have my Swiss resident permit and my passport with me. I've been stopped twice going from CH to FR, once from CH to DE, and several times from FR to CH (not yet from DE to CH.....) easier to just have everything with you.
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Re: Border crossing documentation

I've only ever seen non-white people being stopped when crossing over to France. You know the French recently decided to temporarily put border controls in place, i.e. opt out of the Schengen free movement? I can't remember for how long now. There in theory you would need a government approved form of ID. I've never seen anyone get stopped going to Germany from CH.

Also the Schengen free movement is effectively an abolishment of internal borders and it shouldn't matter if you're an EU national or not. *No-one* should be refused passage unless crossing an *external* border. Being able to prove who you are though is subject to local laws.
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I've only ever seen non-white people being stopped when crossing over to France. You know the French recently decided to temporarily put border controls in place, i.e. opt out of the Schengen free movement? I can't remember for how long now. There in theory you would need a government approved form of ID. I've never seen anyone get stopped going to Germany from CH.

Also the Schengen free movement is effectively an abolishment of internal borders and it shouldn't matter if you're an EU national or not. *No-one* should be refused passage unless crossing an *external* border. Being able to prove who you are though is subject to local laws.
As a single white person crossing from Switzerland to Germany, I was stopped & questioned by German Border control person approximately 5 years ago. I may have been stopped since, remember that particularly occasion as it ended a nice conversation with another passenger.

Sometime in the last 24 months recall we were crossing by car from Switzerland to Constance and another car with 2 or 3 young men (white) was searched & then let on their way. Thought at the time, must have fitted description of someone they were on the look out for, or possibly one of them said something out of turn to border control when asked to show document.
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