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Nope. You completely misquote me several times. Please correct this or remove the post.
I did not touch, edit, change or otherwise anything you wrote!! I just put quote commands around what you wrote yourself. and some empty bits, inadvertently and according to the edit function indelibly. Don't know what you're on about. Compare to original & watch blood pressure.
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Yes, but to make an argument, you actually have to make valid, logical points, not pie-in-the-sky suppositions. Otherwise, it is just emotive whining...



Ok, but we were talking about Switzerland, not the UK system (not that you actually backed up your reference to CCTV with anything factual), so I again don't see your comparison...



Ah, so you've read Marx or Lenin, or some other claptrap... But have you actually looked around to see that it didn't work where it was implemented? Or are you one of the hardheaded sort that thinks that Lenin, Mao, and all the rest just implemented it wrong?


This isn't squatting. This is renting when they and the owner have made some contractual arrangement, and this is a different thing. However, if the owner doesn't want to rent to them, they aren't then entitled to move in anyways. Like others have said, that's thuggish behavior. And, in this case, were I the property owner, I would go to the police...



So, you cite someone you know, without any independent documentation, and you bring racism into the picture? What proofs do you have of these allegations? Or are these more of your "idealistic" opinions?




Nobody said property rights were considered more sacrosanct than human life, so please refrain from putting words into anyone's mouth. Again, the person who owns the building has followed the law; the squatters haven't.



No its not. People existed long before housing was invented, and they didn't go extinct. Besides, here in Switzerland, these people can find shelter in a number of places. You conveniently choose to ignore this fact when its been pointed out to you.



Yes, of course there are exceptions. We could spend all night dwelling on exceptions, but saying "Not everybody does such and such," is simply disingenuous... Also, squatting is not a viable alternative because, in general, it causes economic harm to the property owner. As I've said earlier, other arrangements fall more correctly under leasing or renting of the property and give consideration to both parties.



Good, keep opening your doors to folks. Let me know where you are, and I'll point a few I saw idling about your way. Again, you cite this as if we can substantiate this independently. Based on your other less-than-credible posts, I'll remain highly skeptical...
You do that, and please keep your head exactly where it is, that way all that noise is muffled. I don't believe you just inferred that I'm a lying racially paranoid communist! Your spectacular horror of accepting things told you which are unsubstantiated by a link must be closely tied to your inability to discuss an issue without sinking to insulting disagreeing party. And again total lack of perspective. So sorry to speak from personal experience (racial profiling suspicion btw caused by fact that documented or not, non-European looking people incl. self frequently controlled on st, train et al), next time will try to keep files in better order. Perhaps personal CCTV good idea. And perhaps in meantime you could try & wipe the froth away.
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I did not touch, edit, change or otherwise anything you wrote!! I just put quote commands around what you wrote yourself. and some empty bits, inadvertently and according to the edit function indelibly. Don't know what you're on about. Compare to original & watch blood pressure.
No, you attributed EVERYTHING in your post to me, including the portions you yourself wrote. Go back and look again, please.
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Wow I can't believe it never went in front of a judge. Why is it that some cases go before a judge and some don't?


Okay, the gig is up, tell us who you really are!...LOL
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If we REALLY want to piss her off, maybe we should start talking about the Castle Doctrine. I think shotgun scatter was made with 'collectives' in mind...

Just kidding.

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You do that, and please keep your head exactly where it is, that way all that noise is muffled.
Don't worry, I will. Mine's squarely on my shoulders.

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I don't believe you just inferred that I'm a lying racially paranoid communist!
I didn't infer anything (if you also meant to say "implied," I didn't do that either); I simply questioned the credibility of your claims.

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Your spectacular horror of accepting things told you which are unsubstantiated by a link must be closely tied to your inability to discuss an issue without sinking to insulting disagreeing party.
Simply because I disagreed with and discredited your opinions, and this resulted in you feeling "hurt," does not, by extension, mean I insulted you. If your backside suddenly becomes sore, does that mean I must've kicked you?

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And again total lack of perspective.
How so? Don't really recall you proving it the first time, so why the again?

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So sorry to speak from personal experience (racial profiling suspicion btw caused by fact that documented or not, non-European looking people incl. self frequently controlled on st, train et al),
Oh, so you assume that you're the only racial minority in this debate? I'm sorry that your experiences have led you to this very cynical view. IMO, I think the authorities here are very even-handed; I would go so far as to say more even-handed than I've seen in the States, where I'm also from.

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next time will try to keep files in better order. Perhaps personal CCTV good idea.
Keep your files however you want; you don't have to justify yourself to me at all.

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And perhaps in meantime you could try & wipe the froth away.
Included that last line for completeness. So, being unable to turn the tide with logical argumentation, you try to personally discredit me by claiming I'm insulting?

P.S. This is how you correctly quote someone.
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If we REALLY want to piss her off, maybe we should start talking about the Castle Doctrine. I think shotgun scatter was made with 'collectives' in mind...

Just kidding.
I AM from Florida...
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Hide guys. I think Hoppy is back.
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Hey you two... get out of the courtroom and find yourself a room. All this passive lovey dovey stuff needs to get sorted. Pronto!
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Who's Hoppy?
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Hey you two... get out of the courtroom and find yourself a room. All this passive lovey dovey stuff needs to get sorted. Pronto!
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Who's Hoppy?
Someone who used to start discussions like this all the time.
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No, you attributed EVERYTHING in your post to me, including the portions you yourself wrote. Go back and look again, please.
I'm beginning to think you might have some serious problems with your eyes, if not with other bits. You go back and look again!
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I'm beginning to think you might have some serious problems with your eyes, if not with other bits. You go back and look again!
No. Seriously. Look. The quotes you are attributing to me actually came from aSwissInTheUS, not myself. I've included both posts, so hopefully this will finally make things clear for you...

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The can go to the public welfare where they will get housing. But maybe it is not what they want. See below.

Many people cannot pay the rent for the place they really want to live. They could easily find housing at other places but they are not as hip and en vogue as the hip and trendy in places. But if they were real hippster and trend-setters instead of sheepish followers they would either already live in the trendy places and paying low rent or they would define the new trendy places, the ones where the rent is affordable.


There is always the Passarelle and Zweiter Bildungsweg. There is not really a couldn't just a did not yet.

Sorry, but not everypone can get lake access, 5 bedrooms and all the lukury for free.

Not really a phenomena, it has always been the case. Some succeed, some have problems with there next door neighbors, some only get halfway there, some completely fail, some others even twice.

Should do an EF event. "Lets drive the unused Verkehrshaus cars" would be fun. Just because someone else is not using it does not mean you can use it freely. Or can I sleep in your bed and try on your cloths while you are away from home? Yup I am male

Most likely those squaters will hit the slopes and warm-up with a Jaggertee or Glühwein in the Skihütte.
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Welfare, contrary to popular belief, does NOT provide housing with the exception of for those with serious physical or mental illnesses or handicaps, and that's a completely different gov. organization. If one is in possession of a rent contract they will pay the rent, but if not they do not provide help locating one, provide a guarantee or supply housing AT ALL.
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Hip and in vogue? Trendsetters?? What on earth can that possibly mean or have to do with anything?!? Do you mean moneyed? Popular? I've met people who are in their 40's to 70's (which to be fair are not often ages at which one is "hip" or *in vogue*) who wound up squatting, in towns they want to move away from, after looking for affordable apartments for in 1 case 5 years. And are still looking. These people don't care about hip or trendy, they just want a roof over their heads, is that what you define as a sheepish follower? The exact point of things like squatting is to NOT FOLLOW.
Affordable is completely relative to one's income. Housing is a basic human need and right.



And with a low-paying job, insurance, rent etc. how do they support themselves while re-educating?




See above.



Perhaps I should've said growing phenomenon. http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE Plus there are those who haven't been completely criminalized yet- http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movement but soon will be. By the way, didn't your 1st & 2nd some start out as squatters before completely taking over? Worrisome. And yes, throughout history there have always been people ready to fight and lose their liberty and lives for what they believe in, which is why there are squatters/activists/dissidents in the first place.


I would have no problem with that if I knew you were genuinely compelled towards cross-dressing but felt oppressed in your home situation!!
I disagree; if something is going to waste it should be used by those who need it.



Don't know many of them who could afford that! Yes there are a few who are art students etc. but the most are marginal, hungry, and cold. Some are sans-papiers, some born here but not integrated financially or otherwise into Swiss society, some work, some don't, some have just no other reasonable alternative. All are willing to band together to create something beautiful from somebody else's garbage!!
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Don't worry, I will. Mine's squarely on my shoulders.



I didn't infer anything (if you also meant to say "implied," I didn't do that either); I simply questioned the credibility of your claims.



Simply because I disagreed with and discredited your opinions, and this resulted in you feeling "hurt," does not, by extension, mean I insulted you. If your backside suddenly becomes sore, does that mean I must've kicked you?



How so? Don't really recall you proving it the first time, so why the again?



Oh, so you assume that you're the only racial minority in this debate? I'm sorry that your experiences have led you to this very cynical view. IMO, I think the authorities here are very even-handed; I would go so far as to say more even-handed than I've seen in the States, where I'm also from.



Keep your files however you want; you don't have to justify yourself to me at all.



Included that last line for completeness. So, being unable to turn the tide with logical argumentation, you try to personally discredit me by claiming I'm insulting?

P.S. This is how you correctly quote someone.
Justification? Hurt feelings? The definition of the word infer? Assuming people's ethnic backgrounds or even thinking about them? Proving life experiences? SHOULDERS????!
You are too absurd to respond to any further, I am wasting my time here...good luck with your er, problem. Good night!
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