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Old 05.01.2018, 22:44
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We're moving and have an air rifle that we purchased here but can't take with us. Any ideas how I can sell it as all the selling groups I'm a member of prohibit the sale of firearms. It's a Gamo Shadow 1000. Any suggestions would be welcome.

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not heard of that one. I'll have a look. cheers
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Is there an actual "firearms permit" in Switzerland ,like a drivers licence when one refers to an acquisition permit? Or is it simply the same form sent out to the local police with some "approval" stamps on it?
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Is there an actual "firearms permit" in Switzerland ,like a drivers licence when one refers to an acquisition permit? Or is it simply the same form sent out to the local police with some "approval" stamps on it?
In Geneva, the permits are A4 sheets of paper noting the details of each firearm.
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Unlike cars you need a permit to buy. You need a carry permit to carry freely but you won't get one just because you want to carry, you need to prove the objective need. No carry permit necessary to transport your firearm(s) from your home to the shooting range and back, or the arms dealer, the shooting event you want to attend, etc.

The form to request a purchase permit is the same for all Cantons with the same language, downloadable here.

See below for comprehensive information on the current arms laws, including contact details for the Cantonal offices.
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I’m new to the gun scene in Switzerland and I do not know much about swiss handgun clubs.
I would like to join to some local Verein, but I noticed that most clubs focus on guns that are the service guns of the swiss military or police, like the SIG 22x (see chapter 1.2 http://www.sgdoerflingen.ch/sgd/Hilf...chnis_2011.pdf) or on iSSF style .22 shooting or airguns. I have a 9mm CZ. Do you know if there are clubs that welcome people with non-swiss-service guns? (I mean besides IPSC and IDPA clubs)

I also heard about the Feldschiessen. Problem is I did not serve in the swiss military, never had a Stgw, but at most 300m Vereine it is assumed that new adult members already know how it all works, so are there any adult (not junior) beginner courses?
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Did you contact Pistolenklub Seen? Or the Schützenverein Veltheim?

The approach WRT to training may be that the security rules apply to all guns. So if you handle your 9mm well, any training can focus on weapon-specific stuff.
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Re: Gun Community

Hi,


I can recommend Selgis Shooting. I am a member there. It is a little way out if you are driving from Zurich, maybe an hour or so, but worth it.


It is a private club, membership is around CHF 75 per year, and then you pay as you use. They have a tunnel with 4 lanes for pretty much every caliber, outdoor shooting area and a clay pigeon area. The facility is fully automated, so you can do it on your own, and also whenever you want (as long as you have ammo as the shop is not always open).



They are also pretty professional and safety is of the utmost, so I have generally had good experiences there.


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Hi,
I’m new to the gun scene in Switzerland and I do not know much about swiss handgun clubs.
I would like to join to some local Verein, but I noticed that most clubs focus on guns that are the service guns of the swiss military or police, like the SIG 22x (see chapter 1.2 http://www.sgdoerflingen.ch/sgd/Hilf...chnis_2011.pdf) or on iSSF style .22 shooting or airguns. I have a 9mm CZ. Do you know if there are clubs that welcome people with non-swiss-service guns? (I mean besides IPSC and IDPA clubs)

I also heard about the Feldschiessen. Problem is I did not serve in the swiss military, never had a Stgw, but at most 300m Vereine it is assumed that new adult members already know how it all works, so are there any adult (not junior) beginner courses?
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The requirement for the clubs is not so much the type of the handgun but the ammunition.You can shoot whatever you have as long as it is one of the Swiss service pistol calibers. For example you will not be able to shoot .45 in most communal gun clubs even if its a SIG P226 , only the 9MM will do. However in private shooting ranges you can shoot whatever you like at the discretion of the range owner.
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The requirement for the clubs is not so much the type of the handgun but the ammunition.You can shoot whatever you have as long as it is one of the Swiss service pistol calibers. For example you will not be able to shoot .45 in most communal gun clubs even if its a SIG P226 , only the 9MM will do. However in private shooting ranges you can shoot whatever you like at the discretion of the range owner.



Sounds a bit like America, you can shoot what ever you like with whatever gun and ammunition
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Not a chance......The communal gun clubs are quite local and traditional, its very unlikely you will find anyone who speaks a word of English. My club which is one of the biggest ones in Geneva does not even take credit cards when purchasing ammunition..etc.
You might find some who speak English a bit in the private clubs but it's still very unlikely. You can however try your French or German to the best of your abilities and you will find them quite accomodating.
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Mwoa, I was a member of the Albisguetli (Zurich) but found them destinctly unwelcoming and unfriendly.



Maybe an englishforum event at the Selgis range in Muotathal ? I'd love to try an old fashioned revolver against pop-up targets
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Most clubs expect you to have your own gun. The "Sociétés de tir" do have some club guns but they are not for rental as such and require you to be a member anyway.
Based on your needs as you described it so far the best option for you would be private ranges such as "Brunig indoor." You have a variety of handguns and rifles you can rent and do not have to be a member. I think on your first visit you will have some sort of mandatory supervised session after which you can shoot on your own.
It is important to approach the whole thing a bit seriously as Swiss gun culture is mostly around marksmanship and less about combat or simply trying out guns for fun. This way you will establish a good relationship with the club owners and participants.
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Mwoa, I was a member of the Albisguetli (Zurich) but found them destinctly unwelcoming and unfriendly.



Maybe an englishforum event at the Selgis range in Muotathal ? I'd love to try an old fashioned revolver against pop-up targets
Which club were you member of? As far as I understand Albisguetli is a shooting range used by several clubs.

SGZ? If yes, it's surprising, cos I did a Neuinteressententraining for 300m shooting last year, and I had an opposite experience: I found them very friendly and welcoming, even if I spoke and understood next to none German, and the classes were entirely in German
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Overall the number of shooters and shooting as a sport is in a decline. As a result they are quite friendly if you show genuine interest in the sport. I recently took bunch of students from an international university who did not speak a word of English to the local range. They all had a very welcoming experience and great time.
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In my case it was the SGZ. I was a member and went 5 or 6 times, must have been 2010. About half the times, during the regular shooting hours, they told me there was some sort of competition (no explanation) and that i was not supposed to shoot. I felt unwelcome. A pity as i did enjoy the shooting part, as a club it was worthless. There was no introduction, it would have been nice to have learned about club and local events to participate in... still have my stgw57s (my best was 92 points with 10 rounds). I maybe did not look serious enough as i did not have a shooting jacket etc, maybe they were afraid I would bring the club average down.
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Tournament days care clearly marked on the schedule. On those days either it is the scheduled tournaments or then obligatory shooting session for the army. Nothing personal.
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Hi,

Since my last post I went to a local gun club, talekd to the Schützenmesiter. He said that I can participate on the next Feldschiessen in May even with a C permit, but I need a new gun since CZs are not allowed on 25m/5m. He said that SIGs are "preferred" (Glocks are OK but uhm yeah). I do not like the SIG 210, I do not know the SIG 220, but I like the SIG 226.

The Schützenmeister said that "all" 226s are OK, as long as it has "normal" sights. Maybe shouldn't argue with the guy who is also responsible for the local Feldschiessen, but there are many 226 variants, I did my research on the internet, and the scene seems to be divided on which 226s (German vs Exeter SIGs, "Ur"-SIGs vs newer LDC, Navy, Legion, TacOps, X-Five, with/without "Beschussstempel" etc) are allowed "officially" and "unofficially" on the FS.

What is your experience on that?
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Since my last post I went to a local gun club, talekd to the Schützenmesiter. He said that I can participate on the next Feldschiessen in May even with a C permit, but I need a new gun since CZs are not allowed on 25m/5m. He said that SIGs are "preferred" (Glocks are OK but uhm yeah). I do not like the SIG 210, I do not know the SIG 220, but I like the SIG 226.

The Schützenmeister said that "all" 226s are OK, as long as it has "normal" sights. Maybe shouldn't argue with the guy who is also responsible for the local Feldschiessen, but there are many 226 variants, I did my research on the internet, and the scene seems to be divided on which 226s (German vs Exeter SIGs, "Ur"-SIGs vs newer LDC, Navy, Legion, TacOps, X-Five, with/without "Beschussstempel" etc) are allowed "officially" and "unofficially" on the FS.

What is your experience on that?
Tom, what was the club?
In SGZ, my understanding is that they allow only guns that are actually used (approved for use?) by Swiss military and police. For glock for example, in fact, I had to look into the "Verzeichnis der bewilligten Hilfsmittel zu Ordonnanzwaffen und zu den Bundesübungen zugelassenen Waffen", and once found it there - they said it was ok
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In SGZ, my understanding is that they allow only guns that are actually used (approved for use?) by Swiss military and police. For glock for example, in fact, I had to look into the "Verzeichnis der bewilligten Hilfsmittel zu Ordonnanzwaffen und zu den Bundesübungen zugelassenen Waffen", and once found it there - they said it was ok
Here the rules for the Feldschiessen https://www.swissshooting.ch/de/wett...feldschiessen/. And you are correct all but also only those weapons and accessory listed in the "Verzeichnis der bewilligten Hilfsmittel zu Ordonnanzwaffen und zu den Bundesübungen zugelassenen Waffen (Hilfsmittelverzeichnis)" are allowed for the Feldschiessen.


The Verzeichnis ist publish by the Swiss Army and can be found here:
https://www.vtg.admin.ch/content/vtg...27_132_dfi.pdf
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