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Feuerwehrersatzabgabe - what is this?!?

I just got (again) one of those orange slips, this time from the gemainde for 100 chf, for Feuerwehrersatzabgabe 2013 (I do hope I typed that correctly, such a long word....) plus (another) form I need to fill.
Does anyone have any idea what that is all about?
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Re: Feuerwehrersatzabgabe - what is this?!?

It's the tax you pay for not doing firefighting duty.

If your Gemeinde is like ours, you might not even be allowed to do firefighting duty (non-citizens and men over a certain age are excluded) but you have to pay the tax nonetheless.
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Old 02.04.2013, 18:06
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It's the tax you pay for not doing firefighting duty.

If your Gemeinde is like ours, you might not even be allowed to do firefighting duty (non-citizens and men over a certain age are excluded) but you have to pay the tax nonetheless.
The Swiss are indeed full of inventions. I love this place....
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Re: Feuerwehrersatzabgabe - what is this?!?

BTW, if you move within the Canton you would need to pay it again for the year
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Re: Feuerwehrersatzabgabe - what is this?!?

is anybody here a volunteer firefighter for their community?
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Old 20.04.2015, 17:04
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It's the tax you pay for not doing firefighting duty.

If your Gemeinde is like ours, you might not even be allowed to do firefighting duty (non-citizens and men over a certain age are excluded) but you have to pay the tax nonetheless.
Well you learn something new every day! Never heard of it before and since we've never received a bill ( qualify on both the non-citizen and age counts I think) and OH has never been called for duty I can only assume that it doesn't exist here.
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Old 20.04.2015, 17:09
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I can only assume that it doesn't exist here.
It doesn't exist here, either.

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Old 20.04.2015, 17:25
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Re: Feuerwehrersatzabgabe - what is this?!?

I always love the "Pay as you go " low taxes but you pay for service ,so you know what you pay for
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Re: Feuerwehrersatzabgabe - what is this?!?

I have been volunteering for the fire departments for many years and citizenship is not required, as a matter of fact it is a good way to learn german... We had a few guys who spoke no german when they started. Additionally with all the training and emergency calls you will make about 4000chf every year which is better than paying not to do it. Do it and you get paid

Last weekend the Firestation in Pfaffikon had the night of open doors where they explained how it all works




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Well you learn something new every day! Never heard of it before and since we've never received a bill ( qualify on both the non-citizen and age counts I think) and OH has never been called for duty I can only assume that it doesn't exist here.
Big cities have professional firefighters which is full time paid profession. Small communities have militia volunteers like structured like the swiss military...

for example Stadt Zürich has professional firefighters: Schutz & Rettung Berufsfeuerwehr

There is a tv show money night on 3plus channel with real calls...

You can also watch on the episodes on the website, any time free watch online!

http://www.3plus.tv/notruf

"Sie sind Helden des Alltags. Polizisten, Rettungssanitäter und Berufsfeuerwehrleute. Den Zuschauern werden wieder spannende Einblicke in deren abwechslungsreiches Berufsleben geboten. Dazu gehören Verkehrskontrollen, medizinische Notfälle oder Wohnungsbrände: Die dreiteilige Dokuserie NOTRUF – RETTER IM EINSATZ zeigt, wie die Retter mit diesen gefährlichen Situationen, tragischen Schicksalsschlägen und heiklen Angelegenheiten umgehen und wie sie die täglichen Herausforderungen gemeinsam meistern.

Mit zum Teil bis zu 24-stündigen Diensten wird das Team zu einer zweiten Familie. «Mein Team bedeutet mir sehr viel. Wir arbeiten auch an Tagen wie Weihnachten, wo andere mit Freunden und Familie verbringen, zusammen», sagt Berufsfeuerwehrmann Alex Kappeler. Dieser Teamgeist ist enorm wichtig, denn egal ob Unfälle, Brände, oder Kontrollen - nur als Team sind die Rettungseinsätze der Polizisten, Rettungssanitäter und Feuerwehrleute zu bewältigen.

Im November 2012 wurde die erste Episode von NOTRUF ausgestrahlt. 2013 folgten weitere Folgen der Doku-Serie. Begleitet wurden die verschiedensten Einsätze der Kantonspolizei Zürich, des Rettungsdienstes sowie der Berufsfeuerwehr von Schutz & Rettung Zürich. Im Zentrum stehen die Frauen und Männer, die tagtäglich Risiken eingehen, um für das Wohl der Bevölkerung zu sorgen."

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Big cities have professional firefighters which is full time paid profession. Small communities have militia volunteers like structured like the swiss military...

for example: Stadt Zürich Schutz & Rettung Berufsfeuerwehr

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We live in a small community which does have it's own small fire service. We have never had to pay and OH has never been requested to serve ( but be's probably too old anyway) so it must really depend on the region even in small communities.

I don't think my German is quite up to watching the programme but thanks for the info.
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I have been volunteering for the fire departments for many years and citizenship is not required, as a matter of fact it is a good way to learn german... We had a few guys who spoke no german when they started. Additionally with all the training and emergency calls you will make about 4000chf every year which is better than paying not to do it. Do it and you get paid

Last weekend the Firestation in Pfaffikon had the night of open doors where they explained how it all works




And you learn lot of things ,which is helpful in every days life
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Last weekend the Firestation in Pfaffikon had the night of open doors
Night of open fires would sound better to me....
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Big cities have professional firefighters which is full time paid profession. Small communities have militia volunteers like structured like the swiss military...
Lugano, Locarno, etc. have volunteer firefighters structured like professionals.

Except during business hours, then they have pros.

And the surrounding villages have squat.

"Durante il giorno il servizio è assicurato dai pompieri professionisti con l'eventuale supporto di pompieri volontari.
Durante la notte e nelle festività il servizio viene assicurato dai pompieri volontari."

During the day, the service is assured by professional firefighters, with possible volunteer help.
During the night and on holidays, the service is assured by volunteers.

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Re: Feuerwehrersatzabgabe - what is this?!?

My husband joined the Fire Service when he was in Switzerland, he loved it. You do have to be fit though, especially for the breathing apparatus training, running up and down towers in heavy gear, lugging equipment.
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Re: Feuerwehrersatzabgabe - what is this?!?

It works very well.
the profesionals are the leaders and admin. Soldiers are volunteers who can respond to alarms if available
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My husband joined the Fire Service when he was in Switzerland, he loved it. You do have to be fit though, especially for the breathing apparatus training, running up and down towers in heavy gear, lugging equipment.
you even receive free medical exams on a regular basis...
I dont know about fit because we have smokers and unfit people that perform very well. Its not hard at all. It does get a little hot standing around in sky gear in the middle of the summer when it is 30 degrees outside. But its all good for you and you get paid for it about 30 to 45chf per hour.
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Re: Feuerwehrersatzabgabe - what is this?!?

I agree with Bigfujitsu. It's good fun, it's a great way to learn more german and to integrate within the village / Gemeinde.

I volunteered for a few years but had to stop as I needed to complete a few years of study for work. For those looking at gaining citizenship, being a member of the Feuerwehr is looked upon quite highly
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is anybody here a volunteer firefighter for their community?
Yep ..... I've always wanted to direct traffic into car parks - stood around in full kit on a hot summer's day.





Sorry, not wishing to make light of the good work that local volunteer firemen do, but it seems that they also have to do a lot of mundane crap within the community, too.

The Gemeindes' certainly want to get their moneys worth.
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Yep ..... I've always wanted to direct traffic into car parks.

Sorry, not wishing to make light of the good work that local volunteer firemen do, but it seems that they also have to do a lot of mundane crap within the community, too.

The Gemeindes' certainly want to get their moneys worth.
I think this must vary Gemeinde to Gemeinde - we were always asked if we could provide help at Gemeinde events but it was on a purely voluntary basis.
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