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G permit: going back to your own country every week

Dear all,

I'll start working in Ticino in May.
My company accountant is proceeding on my behalf to the application for a G working permit.

I read that with the G permit one has to go back on his country of residence (UK for me) once a week.
The information I found on a federal site (I can find the link if needed) says once a week, not when.
So theoretically it should be possible to do:
. Sunday first week,
. Monday flight to Switzerland
. spend the all week there until the Friday of second week
. Flying back in UK on that Friday (second week) which means 12 days in Switzerland.

My question is:
has anyone any experience about how strict are these controls?
I am not sure of the consequences either.
But I am more worried about breaking the (not so clear IMO) rule.

Thanks for any feedback.
Mik
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Dear all,

I'll start working in Ticino in May.
My company accountant is proceeding on my behalf to the application for a G working permit.

I read that with the G permit one has to go back on his country of residence (UK for me) once a week.
The information I found on a federal site (I can find the link if needed) says once a week, not when.
So theoretically it should be possible to do:
. Sunday first week,
. Monday flight to Switzerland
. spend the all week there until the Friday of second week
. Flying back in UK on that Friday (second week) which means 12 days in Switzerland.

My question is:
has anyone any experience about how strict are these controls?
I am not sure of the consequences either.
But I am more worried about breaking the (not so clear IMO) rule.

Thanks for any feedback.
Mik
Nobody will give a monkeys , however never answer a fixed phone at the weekend in CH, it's the only check I know of that's ever made.
I know someone from Spain with a G permit, it's been a long time since he went to Spain as he had been skiing every weekend

Why not get a B? If British your entitled to one if you have a full time job, sometimes people have got a L but it's not an issue.
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Re: G permit: going back to your own country every week

an accountant cannot apply for your EU permit.

are you trying to avoid tax with this approach?

do you and your accountant know about the UK rules and also where is advantageous for you to be taxed?
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Re: G permit: going back to your own country every week

Hi Mik,

I am wondering how could you hold a G permit being a resindent of the UK,
if you work in tessin, or generally in Switzerland and take a flat here, if you have a permanent contract you should get a B permit, G is intended to people who commute either dayly or weekly to the close-by Country like Italy, Germany, France or Austria...

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G is intended to people who commute either dayly or weekly to the close-by Country like Italy, Germany, France or Austria...
Maybe intended, but not limited to.
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Yes but you still have to pay withholding taxes, either with G, B, L.... what is the reason then?
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Re: G permit: going back to your own country every week

Thanks for all your answer guys!

@fatmanfilms
Clever hint, thanks.

@Sean and others:
the accountant of the Swiss company is following my applications on behalf of the company and me.
(The feeling I have is that is very keen to create problems where there are none, but maybe just a feeling).
I am not trying to avoid taxes or anything like that.

I will be working with permanent contract as employed.
The reason for a G permit first is to speed up the procedure as I will be starting on May.
The foreign office (ufficio stranieri) told me that it may take some _long_ time to get the B permit, so they suggest me to apply first for the G permit.
This is a pain in the neck because I will be paying even higher medical insurance with G permit... (I need to pay it, as I am resident in UK, not in Italy or the other boundaries of Switzerland).

I will be taxed in Switzerland.
Damn! Will I???? I hope so!

So is not my choice, it is a temporary solution.
In July my family will move to Switzerland too, and by that time I want and must have a B permit.
(am I too optimist?)

Thanks a lot guys,
Mik
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Re: G permit: going back to your own country every week

This sounds overly complicated to me. You're applying for a G so you can start work next week/month, even though there's no guarantee you will get said permit in time to start work. Then in theory once you get the G you will turn around and immediately apply for a B so you can bring your family here on reunification in July.

Honestly I recommend contacting your cantonal authorities about what the best way is to proceed. I just can't see them looking favorably upon a bait-and-switch (for lack of a better term) permit setup.
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Honestly I recommend contacting your cantonal authorities about what the best way is to proceed. I just can't see them looking favorably upon a bait-and-switch (for lack of a better term) permit setup.
Thanks.
By cantonal authorities you mean "foreign office" or someone else?
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Thanks for all your answer guys!

@fatmanfilms
Clever hint, thanks.

@Sean and others:
the accountant of the Swiss company is following my applications on behalf of the company and me.
(The feeling I have is that is very keen to create problems where there are none, but maybe just a feeling).
I am not trying to avoid taxes or anything like that.

I will be working with permanent contract as employed.
The reason for a G permit first is to speed up the procedure as I will be starting on May.
The foreign office (ufficio stranieri) told me that it may take some _long_ time to get the B permit, so they suggest me to apply first for the G permit.
This is a pain in the neck because I will be paying even higher medical insurance with G permit... (I need to pay it, as I am resident in UK, not in Italy or the other boundaries of Switzerland).

I will be taxed in Switzerland.
Damn! Will I???? I hope so!

So is not my choice, it is a temporary solution.
In July my family will move to Switzerland too, and by that time I want and must have a B permit.
(am I too optimist?)

Thanks a lot guys,
Mik
As EU you don't need a permit first, you arrive show your job contract & receive a permit. Going for a G is a waste of time, it's the same reason my Spanish friend has a G, pointless.

You will pay Swiss withholding tax , however be liable to UK taxes in full as your choosing to stay resident in the UK with a G permit.
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Re: G permit: going back to your own country every week

This might be helpful,

If you need any translation please let me know... ;-)

http://www4.ti.ch/di/spop/stranieri/...ieri-g-ueaels/
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In July my family will move to Switzerland too,

Heads up here on something else:-

No idea what if any benefits your family gets in UK, family allowance for child/ren come to mind. You will need to close that down in UK to get whatever allowances you might get in Switzerland. Unlike the UK, Switzerland does have a Tax Allowance for non-working Spouse & something for children.
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As EU you don't need a permit first, you arrive show your job contract & receive a permit. Going for a G is a waste of time, it's the same reason my Spanish friend has a G, pointless.

You will pay Swiss withholding tax , however be liable to UK taxes in full as your choosing to stay resident in the UK with a G permit.
I am really keen to believe you.
I am just in a difficult situation now as the company lady who is in charge for getting the permit sorted for me and the accountant I mentioned before agreed to have a G as the B could not come up in time for the starting date.
This is what the foreign officer confirmed to me by telephone this morning.
I could put more pressure to get the B one, but at this point I think I will just make myself less likeable from future colleagues...
what a pain!
I'll think about this. Thanks.
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Heads up here on something else:-

No idea what if any benefits your family gets in UK, family allowance for child/ren come to mind. You will need to close that down in UK to get whatever allowances you might get in Switzerland. Unlike the UK, Switzerland does have a Tax Allowance for non-working Spouse & something for children.
Thanks,
I was aware of the child benefit in Switzerland, provided that I show a paper letter from HMRC where is said that from certain date I don't get anymore child benefit in UK.
I was not aware of the tax allowance for non-working spouse but I guess that would come up implicitely when computing taxes.
Thanks.
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Re: G permit: going back to your own country every week

You need the permit in hand before you start working, but I am not sure how a G is processed faster than a B?
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You need the permit in hand before you start working, but I am not sure how a G is processed faster than a B?
Reason being, according to the Foreign Officer, that for the B permit there is this kind of.... *&!@&^@ I don't remember the terminology of course!
Well, there is a check for being sure that my skills are not already available in the market in Switzerland, so that there is no another guy that could do my job.

Also, in the link that one of you posted above, is written that the 'B permit' could be denied for 'public order reasons'.
And you know that in Ticino the referendum agains free movement of foreign workers (again sorry for wrong terminology) got something like 69% of consensus.

What just annoys me so much is that after 45 minutes call yesterday with the accountant and 15 today, I had a strong feeling that I should give up!
He was doing so well in his demotivating mission that I almost surrendered!
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Maybe intended, but not limited to.
Indeed, Liechtenstein would count, also Andorra, San marino, Monaco, etc.
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Re: G permit: going back to your own country every week

you are EU and you should take up permanent residence. If you don't get a B you'll get an L, not a big issue really.....you have a work contract, offer of employment, etc.

NOBODY else can apply on your behalf as EU and it is STILL A FORMALITY. Yes, it might take a while but I think this is a Ticino issue (heck, you're Italian, you're going to be tarred with the 60'000 people I can see right now on the A2 going back to Italy tonight.

The bugger is that you can't officially work without the permit. Can you come earlier and start the process? I must ask my better half how long the permits have taken for her local resident team of Italians.
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you are EU and you should take up permanent residence. If you don't get a B you'll get an L, not a big issue really.....you have a work contract, offer of employment, etc.
Interesting, never came across the 'L' one so far.
I need to check if I can purchase an house with L in future (I think I can with B). Long term plan however.


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NOBODY else can apply on your behalf as EU and it is STILL A FORMALITY. Yes, it might take a while but I think this is a Ticino issue (heck, you're Italian, you're going to be tarred with the 60'000 people I can see right now on the A2 going back to Italy tonight.
Probably is not really applying then, but just preparing the paperwork.
Actually, that must be the case, as I have been giving everything but not yet the pictures. Sorry, I was misleading...

About the 60K.... does it help if I wear a shirt: "I don't commute, I intend to live here"?

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The bugger is that you can't officially work without the permit. Can you come earlier and start the process? I must ask my better half how long the permits have taken for her local resident team of Italians.
Not really, as I have bus (2h) and flight tickets already and the room booked for the 5th.
However I am quite sure that they do expect than on the first day (after coffee) I will be going to the foreign office to apply for it rather than start working at 100% of time.

You know, I have been emigrating twice before (Italy -> Finland, Finland -> UK). I never found neither the half of the difficulties I am facing now.
(This is not meant to be a criticism, just a consideration).

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