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At a University....

The point is that Latin is useless. French would be useful, or
German would be useful. Latin, however, is not.
Well, let me rephrase. I doubt you were forced to sit a Latin course while through a Business Management, Geography, Geology, Maths, IT, Psychology, Sociology et al diploma. Unless you studied 150 years ago.

If you went through Translation, Law or Medicine and were forced to study Latin, then I'd be glad to know why you consider it useless.

By all means, if I am wrong, please correct me.
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Latin..................

Latin is the basis to a lot of languages and if you have learnt that you will find that learning a new language is much easier
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Well, let me rephrase. I doubt you were forced to sit a Latin course while through a Business Management, Geography, Geology, Maths, IT, Psychology, Sociology et al diploma. Unless you studied 150 years ago.

If you went through Translation, Law or Medicine and were forced to study Latin, then I'd be glad to know why you consider it useless.

By all means, if I am wrong, please correct me.

I studied Finance and IT. There were two language requirements
first language choice of German, French, or Spanish. The second
language choice was only Latin.
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I studied Finance and IT. There were two language requirements
first language choice of German, French, or Spanish. The second
language choice was only Latin.
What university?
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Re: Evaluation of US high school diploma

University of Texas

My wife also had to take Latin at the University of Augsburg
with a BBA in Business( Betriebswirtschaft )
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University of Texas

My wife also had to take Latin at the University of Augsburg
with a BBA in Business( Betriebswirtschaft )
Well, at least as far as Switzerland is concerned, that's not going to happen... so here's to reassuring potential students.
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Quite honestly, say what you will about the US secondary education system, but the universities are among the best known in the world and prepare students for more practical situations (and allow an earlier start to one's career) than European ones.
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Actually I wonder what gave you that impression, as they actually turned everything upside-down to be Bologna hence EU compatible?

They are not quite yet in compliance (or a year ago they weren t). So yes they turned everything upside-down but the old coger professors still have to recognize your diploma. The one that was assigned to mine randomly decided that it was not good enough after sending me a number of e-mails which indicated that he had no clue how to recognize it or what to do.

I am just jaded a bit. I hope that after the initial "bumpy" period that everything will flow as it was intended.
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They are not quite yet in compliance (or a year ago they weren t). So yes they turned everything upside-down but the old coger professors still have to recognize your diploma. The one that was assigned to mine randomly decided that it was not good enough after sending me a number of e-mails which indicated that he had no clue how to recognize it or what to do.

I am just jaded a bit. I hope that after the initial "bumpy" period that everything will flow as it was intended.
That's surprising to say the least since the bachelor/masters lineage has been implemented in 05, but courses were already ECTS compliant back in 96.

Had you asked me, I would have probably told you to go over his head directly here
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Re: Evaluation of US high school diploma

University of Texas is one of the highest rated Universities
for Finance/Accounting in the world.

The original post was whether the man or lady's son could
get into a Swiss university. The answer is yes, but they
make it extremely bureaucratic. It is possible though.
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The original post was whether the man or lady's son could
get into a Swiss university. The answer is yes, but they
make it extremely bureaucratic. It is possible though.
Not with a high school diploma only, if I understood the first post properly.

Unless you think of a Fachhochschule / HES as being interchangeable with an University - which I think it is not.

This here being the requirements for year 08/09.
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Re: Evaluation of US high school diploma

It is certainly possible to come to either University or Fachhochschule
with a high school diploma.
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That's surprising to say the least since the bachelor/masters lineage has been implemented in 05, but courses were already ECTS compliant back in 96.

Had you asked me, I would have probably told you to go over his head directly here
Thanks for the tip Shorrick.

I am not sure if it was that simple. The prof told me that the Masters program was not set up yet and that it was very very behind schedule. Something you would not have gathered from reading the website. So there would have been very little I could have done at the time to get them to accept me at the Masters level. He offered me a space in the old system (starting from the beginning) and I declined. Which makes me wonder why he did not offer me a position in the Bachelors program


I just ended up finding another university that was accepting students at the Masters level. They had no problem accepting my diploma. But I am going to bookmark the website you suggested.

Sadly I have heard a number of things from foreign students (non-Ph.d) who have had issues with credits/acceptance of diplomas etc.

It s all ironed out now and I am happy in a smaller University where I have personal relationships with my professors. It was just a ruff emotional road to get there.
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Can't help but smile there

Hah, yeah I find that hard to believe...in fact, I doubt the foreign language requirement is that strenuous at even the best universities with regard to Finance/IT degrees, regardless of what century you're in...

And yes, that's not to say that we all take 100% practical courses at university in the US, but from my experience the curriculum is much less theory-focused (especially from a business admin standpoint) than in Switzerland.
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It is certainly possible to come to either University or Fachhochschule
with a high school diploma.
Um, maybe my French and German aren't good enough then - and I'd love to know what are the steps, so I may set the CRUS straight... it's probably another one of these cases where the authorities don't know what they talk about.

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Can't help but smile there
Interesting from a guy from a third world country.
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Yeah the swiss system is anything but standard at the moment and it is fighting tooth and nail to stay as wild and crazy as possible. Did you know that I have heard of people (swiss actually) who studied at the University of St. Gallen and then tried to get into the University of Zurich and were not given full credit for their degree?????? Is that nuts or what to have studied in the same country, speak the language etc and still not have acceptance of your university degree.

You would think they are past that by now. . . . . . I still question it
There is a big difference between recognition and acceptance. Some top universities are choosy on admission. Just like in the US. Harvard may reject a MS candidate despite a BS from another accredited US university.
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Interesting from a guy from a third world country.
Please elaborate.
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That being said, I think the more important point is whether a European university is right for your son. I've also had experience in both university systems, and for someone raised with US education, switching systems is quite a shock. Quite honestly, if I had been a regular student instead of an exchange student in Switzerland, my grades would not have made the cut and I would have most likely been kicked out.
Having studied in Europe and the US, I very much agree with PKV. I feel that studying in Europe (I exclude the UK here) is tougher in a sense (you need to spend more time studying on your own, the exams are much, much more difficult, its quite normal to fail in a few courses and having to retake them, etc.). However, I still feel that the US university education is superior in the end as it forces you more to think outside of the box, is broader, and puts more emphasis on social skills.

I don't know what your son wants to do in the future and how ambitious he is - but studying at a well-known school in the US might give him better international career prospects than a degree from a not so well known university in Geneva (with a US degree you can easily find a job in Europe or Asia, the other way round it might be more difficult).
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And yes, that's not to say that we all take 100% practical courses at university in the US, but from my experience the curriculum is much less theory-focused (especially from a business admin standpoint) than in Switzerland.
Actually it wasn't that bad in Geneva. The first year was pretty much theory oriented, but once past that, most of it was either case studies or live practical stuff. We had Klaus Schwab (of WEF fame) insist on his courses being 90% field work. We had a business org professor dude taking us with him to board meetings of local Swiss companies he sat on(ABB; Nestlé; Novartis) to kibitz on the proceedings. We had the CIO of Lombard Odier teach us banking systems.

The whole market finance and derivatives field was covered by Rajna Gibson (if you do derivatives then you *know* of Gibson) and Lhabitant (who headed alternative investments at UBP) plus some dude with a PhD from MIT who had his own FX derivatives firm. So it was a lot of "get your hands dirty under the engine hood" stuff. Business Law was taught by one of the Guggenheim dynasty - who's rather active in international arbitrage proceedings.

I didn't do much marketing past the first year but most of it in the advanced courses was field projects like designing actual products (made to order by L'Oreal) and a strategy to go with them.

Frankly, it wasn't half bad. Of course, probably not as good as First World Latin Business Admin in Texas.
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