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Re: Guidance needed- [Swiss citizen abroad considering moving to CH]

well done on getting here and set up and good luck with everything!

PS: if you are interested in hardware maybe go that route rather than software as everyone is doing software. consider fachhochschule for courses, not just universities.
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Yes, unfortunately at first i was in a cantón with an applied science center, but i had trouble with the "contract", in this current cantón, there are no fahrschule, but there are many electronic companies, maybe am apprenticeship would be an option when i get some german skills, or if i am able to get a job in a place with a fahrschule would also be cool.

@mullhollander you didnt mention the price for english, xD

Maybe i am feeling extremely overconfident, but i believe in 6 months i will be ready to work in deutsch.

And well now i know why theres hate against social benefits users, if you go to a park at 1-3pm, it would be full of lazy people just drinking beer and smoking, and when you talk to them they shamelessly say they are living off the social, and make fun of the debt, but then you realize none of them is swiss, they just married to a swiss person or their parents have lived in switzerland.
But in the defence of social service "clients" i must say most are working people maybe with a kid too much and their salary is not enough, or they are people going through hard times like divorces with a child just when they get established, those lazy bums are just a minority but they are disappearing.
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Re: Guidance needed- [Swiss citizen abroad considering moving to CH]

Hello Estefan,

Can you update me on your progress? I am a Swissabroad child who wants to visit and work in Switzerland for the summer.

I'm really happy to find that there are so many of us.
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I am currently employed as a PC technician full time, i am extremely satisfied; I can now have conversations in the German language, but it is no way near "perfect".

I am working towards my driving license, and towards c-1 german level.

I dont have much free time, but i know if i work hard enough i can get a chance for a 4year apprenticeship in IT, which is gonna get my living standards even higher(not that it is AMAZING but it is WAAAAAAAYYYY better than what i have back in DR).

I still need to get somethings out of the way before i consider myself to be "stable".

But i am working towards that goal, and now i know for sure that i can make it.
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Re: Guidance needed- [Swiss citizen abroad considering moving to CH]

I know I gave you some crap when you first wanted to move over (mainly on account of wanting to claim state assistance). But it sounds like you've made a go of it and are doing well for yourself. Good on you!
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Hi etefan02, great to hear you made it.

I assume with "PC Technician" you mean something pretty basic like hardware repair/Media Markt salesmen, that kind of stuff?

I assume you make around 4000-4500 CHF a month right now (depending on where you work, Zurich obviously has higher wages than St. Gallen) which isn't really going up much in the next years (or even decades) unless you indeed make a 4-year apprenticeship as IT (I'd assume you will try for the more hardware-based sub-category, since it's demanding less high skills)

I guess you're perfectly aware that this would mean sitting 4 years in school with teenagers, and earning 4 years basically nothing, being on social benefits. Plus, at least the first few years after you start that job, not really getting paid much more than right now.

So, you would only start to see any kind of ROI after 10 years or so.. (and having lived considerably worse compared to just do what you do now)

OK, enough of the discouragement. I've had a friend who was in a similar position. Having worked in a field without a Lehre, but at 25 decided to finally do one. In school with all those teenagers, but managed to "bite through". Now having a great job, earning decent wages, and totally happy that decision was taken. So, while it's a bit unusual, it can be done, and some employees will definitely not mind someone more experienced/older (ie, some will see you to have to teach you less and earn more money.. try to avoid those that would try to abuse you too much)

So, you've basically two choices from what I can see:

-Take the shot at doing an apprenticeship.
-Keep working as "non-trained" IT guy, hope that you can either grow within your company or find a company with a good "Arbeitszeugnis" without having done a Lehre. Your advantage in IT is that there are quite a few people without a Lehre/proper education who basically "learned it on the job" so in IT, it's slightly easier to find something without holding proper titles as long as your working experience is right. If you know some IT guys, they could also help you to find a job. Of course the market for "low-skilled" IT labour isn't great, but if you're a fast learner, and willing to risk it, you could also try this "grow in the job" thing and show any future employer by "Arbeitszeugnisse" that you've the skills.

What is better? Hard to say.

Obviously doing a Lehre is a good thing when you're a teenager. But - especially - in a field like IT, all the skills you need are moving so fast, thus it's really not the same as 15 years ago. Any "technical skill" is fast to expire. What a good Lehre will be worth for you is the question.

I could't recommend going one or the other way. Probably best to keep both eyes open and see what opportunity becomes available.
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Re: Guidance needed- [Swiss citizen abroad considering moving to CH]

Dear Stephan,


Every Swiss citizen has a right to enter Switzerland and freely establish his/her domicile (art. 24 Swiss Constitution, https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...395/index.html). To enter Switzerland, you need to hold your Swiss passport (or an entry visa for Switzerland in another passport you might hold) which can be obtained with the Swiss Embassy /Consulate in the country of your current residence.



However, please be aware of art. 10 al. 1 Swiss Citizenship Act: “A child born abroad to a Swiss parent who is a citizen of another country loses Swiss citizenship on reaching the age of 22, unless his or her birth has been notified to a Swiss authority abroad or in Switzerland or he or she has declared in writing that he or she wishes to remain a Swiss citizen” (https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...208/index.html). I am not saying this applies to you (which I do not know), just want to raise your awareness.


As mentioned in one of the previous replies (I admit I have not read them all), the Swiss Federal Administration provides valuable information for Swiss citizens abroad who wish to live in (“return” to) Switzerland. Cf., e.g, https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/home...itzerland.html and the guide published by the Federal Dept of Foreign Affairs: https://www.eda.admin.ch/content/dam...hweizer_EN.pdf
And the Swiss Embassies/Consulates are very competent to provide any further advice.



Just a few comments:


Financially and jobwise: In general, it is expected that a person is able to secure their living by their own means, e.g. through work, savings, etc. The local employment office (“Arbeitsamt”, “Office de placement/ORP”) helps in making job-related decisions and in finding a job. While searching for a job, depending on your personal situation, you might be entitled to receive unemployment benefits (I have seen some people receiving money even though they had not previously paid into the system, but it depends on your personal situation and the local employment office can provide further guidance). The local employment office might also help you find other financial resources and advice for further professional training (through scholarships etc.).


Social security: If, for some reason, a person is not able to support him-/herself, social security steps in as a last resort (cf. art. 12 Federal Constitution: “Persons in need and unable to provide for themselves have the right to assistance and care, and to the financial means required for a decent standard of living.”). It is not necessary to have previously paid into the system to be entitled to social benefits, as long as you have a residence permit (which, as a Swiss citizen, you obviously have). In some cases it can even be obtained by Swiss citizens abroad – the Embassy/Consulate can provide further info and even help you travel to Switzerland (cf. https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/de/home...e-ausland.html). This means that, if for some reason you do not find a job or cannot otherwise sustain your living, social security helps you financially to have a minimum to live from (pay your food, rent, medical care etc.). The Embassy/Consulate is able to provide further info on this and also give you the address of the local social welfare office of the residence of your choice.



Social integration/cultural differences etc.: It generally seems easier to integrate the local community (and thereby learn the language) in the bigger cities than at the country side. However, the countryside is really beautiful and often also cheaper (you might wish to consider living in a village near a bigger city). Geneva (though French and not German speaking) is certainly the culturally most mixed city, Lausanne also enjoys a certain “mixitude” and in Zürich, Basel and Bern you also find many people from all over the world.



It is certainly a good idea you come over and spend some time here on vacation (and also discuss with your uncle how he could help you integrate) for you to get a clearer picture.


Good luck!
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Hahaha -- I just realize your question was asked long time ago... and YOU MADE IT!!
Congrats and really happy to learn this!
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Re: Guidance needed- [Swiss citizen abroad considering moving to CH]

@YuropFlyer Instead of trying to guess you can ask me, I make more than 4,500(that was a good try tho); And yes it is relatively basic, but it is a lot of fun and i am in contact with very intelligent and interesting people.

I am satisfied not only because of the money but also because of the environment, and my boss is super cool.

It is probably the best IT services company to work for here in switzerland.

I believe i would be able to increase the salary for about 50% after completion of the 4year apprenticeship, but i am not entirely sure if i would like to go up and work inside of a room the whole day, the position where i currently am is very diverse and really entertaining, i work with people who refused to progress in order to stay were they are because of the job satisfaction.

@Loz1983 I never implied that i wanted to come here and live on benefits my entire life. And i have yet to meet someone who is not European who lives on benefits(i am obviously excluding refugees).

It was absolutely impossible for me to come here without any kind of assistance, mainly because of the huge difference of economies and the travel expenses.
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@YuropFlyer Instead of trying to guess you can ask me, I make more than 4,500(that was a good try tho); And yes it is relatively basic, but it is a lot of fun and i am in contact with very intelligent and interesting people.

I am satisfied not only because of the money but also because of the environment, and my boss is super cool.

It is probably the best IT services company to work for here in switzerland.

I believe i would be able to increase the salary for about 50% after completion of the 4year apprenticeship, but i am not entirely sure if i would like to go up and work inside of a room the whole day, the position where i currently am is very diverse and really entertaining, i work with people who refused to progress in order to stay were they are because of the job satisfaction.
I wasn't trying to be rude - I'm working in IT myself, so having more-or-less an idea about what you can earn (or not) - I'm happy for you that you earn above 4500CHF per month (assuming 12 months, not 13, ie a total yearly salary of 54k+) - 50% more (ie, above 80k) will definitely be possible but probably not immediately after finishing an apprenticeship (unless you play your cards REALLY right) but after a few years, that's what you can expect (ie, around 85-90k per year, gaining slower after reaching that - unless you specialize yourself into some area and get all certificates etc.)

Anything above 90k (around 7.5k a month on 12-month base) is definitely allowing a very nice lifestyle (not luxury, but decent flat, not having to check on your balance, 5* holidays, able to splurge reasonably often etc. - stuff that simply isn't THAT easy with 5k a month) - so if you don't mind to go down to the very limits for 4 years (You'll get funds from Sozialbehörde without issues in that case, they're obviously supportive of getting proper education - just make sure to use up all your funds BEFORE you start your apprenticeship, or you'll not receive money till you've used up almost everything..)
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Re: Guidance needed- [Swiss citizen abroad considering moving to CH]

I did not believe you were rude, but i was a little bit annoyed by recovering my memory of this thread and some of the answers i got.

I kind of believe you are soft feeling me in order to pinpoint my exact ranking on the social-economical chain.

for example "above 4500CHF per month (assuming 12 months, not 13, ie a total yearly salary of 54k+)" that seems a bit intruding, but it also entices me to provide information..... lol... i just cannot control myself....it is a 13months contract.
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I did not believe you were rude, but i was a little bit annoyed by recovering my memory of this thread and some of the answers i got.

I kind of believe you are soft feeling me in order to pinpoint my exact ranking on the social-economical chain.

for example "above 4500CHF per month (assuming 12 months, not 13, ie a total yearly salary of 54k+)" that seems a bit intruding, but it also entices me to provide information..... lol... i just cannot control myself....it is a 13months contract.
I wasn't part of the "bashing" of you earlier in this thread, and honestly, I totally sided with you reading through it. I can understand your suspicion very well. Some comments were (over) borderline rude.

I know that many Swiss are VERY secretive about their income. I'm not like that, I do enjoy to compare and see whats reasonable income. So in your case, with the 4500+ on a 13-month base, you're definitely earning pretty well for basically having no proper degrees, so I'd say you got lucky to score that kind of job. I know many "Lehrabgänger" (ie people who just finished their IT apprenticeship who earned LESS than 60k a year in the first years on the real job. Don't expect wonders on the short run, therefore..

So the question remains.. doing a Lehre or not. I'd say yes. Alternatively, of course you could do certificates (MSCE, Cisco, whatever..) to increase your "value", but they'll also cost money, and be kinda "expiring".

I recently was looking for something new (IT field) - I was surprised by how many companies actually wanted ALL the letter of references, dating back to apprenticeship, despite it being quite a bit more than 10 years ago. Degree + Good working references are really what many, many places are looking for. Good working references will get you to some point, so the question remains for you, in which direction you want to go.

The one thing you don't have THAT much is time - you probably could wait another year or so to start the apprenticeship, but the older you get, the harder (and more annoying) will it become for you to sit in a class of teenagers, passing math tests, and all the like. I guess you could still improve your German, so during the 4-year period you'd have less trouble to pass all the exams with good grades. After all, schooling part still is part of the final degree you'll get - and you really want that degree to be as high as possible. Passing with 5+ will make the path to score a really good job much easier than if you just get a 4.2 or so..
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I am very happy, i actually believe i dont really want the apprenticeship, but it is kind of a promise i made to someone, and i have a year to better my german, if it is not to par for the 4year i was told a 2 year(ofc way more basic and not including much theory) was also possible.

In the meantime i should focus on getting my driving license, and better my german...the driving license is actually a must for my job, so i have until june to get it... my boss admited to be surprised when i passed the theory test(which i had to take in german).

I am just so happy for the opportunity i got, and i admit i was lucky to get the chance, but i believe i did not need luck to make the best of that chance.
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I am very happy, i actually believe i dont really want the apprenticeship, but it is kind of a promise i made to someone, and i have a year to better my german, if it is not to par for the 4year i was told a 2 year(ofc way more basic and not including much theory) was also possible.

In the meantime i should focus on getting my driving license, and better my german...the driving license is actually a must for my job, so i have until june to get it... my boss admited to be surprised when i passed the theory test(which i had to take in german).

I am just so happy for the opportunity i got, and i admit i was lucky to get the chance, but i believe i did not need luck to make the best of that chance.
Way to go Stefan :-)
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I am very happy, i actually believe i dont really want the apprenticeship, but it is kind of a promise i made to someone, and i have a year to better my german, if it is not to par for the 4year i was told a 2 year(ofc way more basic and not including much theory) was also possible.

In the meantime i should focus on getting my driving license, and better my german...the driving license is actually a must for my job, so i have until june to get it... my boss admited to be surprised when i passed the theory test(which i had to take in german).

I am just so happy for the opportunity i got, and i admit i was lucky to get the chance, but i believe i did not need luck to make the best of that chance.
Congratulations! and proof that hard work and resilience (and sometimes a bit of luck) does help with success.
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Re: Guidance needed- [Swiss citizen abroad considering moving to CH]

Been away for a while from this forum, but this very inspiring thread made me sign back again

Well done @etefan02 you are a living testament to this quote below - my favorite quote since hearing it :P

“Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated fools. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.”
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I am very happy, i actually believe i dont really want the apprenticeship, but it is kind of a promise i made to someone, and i have a year to better my german, if it is not to par for the 4year i was told a 2 year(ofc way more basic and not including much theory) was also possible.

In the meantime i should focus on getting my driving license, and better my german...the driving license is actually a must for my job, so i have until june to get it... my boss admited to be surprised when i passed the theory test(which i had to take in german).

I am just so happy for the opportunity i got, and i admit i was lucky to get the chance, but i believe i did not need luck to make the best of that chance.
I can't say you taught me the steps I need to take to establish myself in Switzerland, but you definitely taught me not to believe "no".

Imagine if you listened to them? I wonder what you'd be doing back in the Dominican Republic.

Can you take me through the things you experienced when you first arrived in Switzerland?
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It feels wierd to write about myself.... trust me i tried to write down my entire story, but i found it to be a bit embarassing...


The only Thing i can recommend is for you to make sure your word means something, make a good impression and always back your promises up.


After These two Things i can only encourage you to learn German.... try not to learn swiss german for the moment, focus on "high" german and then learn some swiss german...... if you learn swiss german before you learn "high" german than you will end up with "broken" german, and you will neither be able to shake off the accent or write correctly.


Most people are discouraging me to learn swiss german for the moment, they insist that it is worth it to wait a Little bit before i embark on that journey.... tho it would be nice to participate in the fun.


German is a very very hard language to learn, so patience and understanding your own Limits is key.



EDIT: Nobody can show you the way, because every gemeinde has different rules and mechanisms, so always study possibilities, by this i mean not only looking for jobs but also looking for ways to make your Lebenslauf better, try looking for Labor market programs if you are Young enough you can even make the "9th grade" all in german which means you will learn science, math, history, and grammar ALL IN GERMAN, sadly i arrived 2 months after such a program had started.








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Been away for a while from this forum, but this very inspiring thread made me sign back again

Well done @etefan02 you are a living testament to this quote below - my favorite quote since hearing it :P

“Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated fools. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.”
Absolutely agree! Read the thread from top to bottom - a rollercoaster of a read. I am genuinely emotional. I am no expert on the processes discussed here, but read this with interest. I am sucker for a happy end. hope to hear more and, if i happen to know anything, assist.
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Absolutely agree! Read the thread from top to bottom - a rollercoaster of a read. I am genuinely emotional. I am no expert on the processes discussed here, but read this with interest. I am sucker for a happy end. hope to hear more and, if i happen to know anything, assist.
Absolutely, so pleased for Etefan02. I came here from England after meeting a Swiss girl (now my wife), and everything was just so easy back then in comparison (2001). I had no idea how lucky I was.

To read your story and see how you made it here is very inspiring. Thanks for sharing
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