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Old 28.06.2007, 14:23
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Re: Recycling of Tetra Pak and plastic Cartons

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The tetra packs are not collected with the wastepaper / Cardboard, because they are thinly plasticfiated (?)on the outside and got an aluminium layer on the inside.
Batholomew already explained that very well.

As for the other bottles PET and non-PET, this is waste that gets burned ( Switzerland has AFAIK no landfill sites anymore) but a net of really well maintained waste incinerators (KEWU,MÜVE,KEBAG etc etc) these incinerators are fitted with various filtering devices so that in the end the burning of this chemically made containers,does not pollute the environement.

This is also the stuff that I crush to minimize the bulk size and put into my 60 liter bag.........................

Is this answer satisfactory for you ??
But at the end of the day there are no obvious facilities for recycling tetra pak and non PET bottles, as Telandy pointed out in France and Germany they do have these facilities.
I have to say that it is annoying that my local Decheterie/dump wont accept empty bleech, oil bottles and the 5 litre detergent and softener bottles, hacks me of that I have to put them in my CHF 2 garbage bags.

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Re: Recycling of Tetra Pak and plastic Cartons

Tetra Pak cartons: Good general info. Can't find a Swiss site though with the same type of content.

Migros accepts the non PET (white) milk bottles. (Valais and Vaud for sure).
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Old 09.10.2007, 13:32
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Re: recycling???

I've searched the forum and this seems to be the best place to put this question...

What about the big stuff? Broken furniture, worn out suitcases, and other unusable but sizeable stuff? We brought over some things that should have been thrown out instead of being packed. This stuff won't fit into a Zuri sack. Where can I deposit them, at the local recycling area mentioned above?
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Old 09.10.2007, 13:37
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Re: recycling???

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I've searched the forum and this seems to be the best place to put this question...

What about the big stuff? Broken furniture, worn out suitcases, and other unusable but sizeable stuff? We brought over some things that should have been thrown out instead of being packed. This stuff won't fit into a Zuri sack. Where can I deposit them, at the local recycling area mentioned above?
call your local Gemeinde / council office, they tend to have set days when they will pick up "any other crap" .... otherwise, if you think someone may want it ... pop it outside your front door with a "frei" note on it ... good chance it will evaporate ....
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Old 09.10.2007, 13:43
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Re: recycling???

You can dispose of flammable bulky refuse at KVA Horgen, opening hours are on the website (map).
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What about the big stuff? Broken furniture, worn out suitcases, and other unusable but sizeable stuff? We brought over some things that should have been thrown out instead of being packed. This stuff won't fit into a Zuri sack. Where can I deposit them, at the local recycling area mentioned above?
If you live in Wadenswil, see the the page Aufgaben der Entsorgung/Recycling for phone numbers and email.

My bet is that for bulky items you want "Sperrgutmarke" (bulky goods stickers), as described in the PDF here.

i.e for an item of maximum size 150 x 150 x 150 cm, max 10 kg, it will cost you CHF 3.60 in Wadensdwil. If it's twice that size, put 2 stickers on. Leave the stuff on the street the day the rubbish truck comes around and it should magically disappear.

Electrical goods aren't included by this scheme.

EDIT: Forgot to say that these stickers can be bought at newsagent kiosks.

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How strange. As far as I know, all Tetrapak containers are recyclable. Cos they usually have this symbol on it (a circle with two arrows circling around)......
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I believe that technically Tetrapaks *can* be recycled, but they need special facilities which are probably not available in Switzerland. Try e.g. the website http://www.tetrapakrecycling.co.uk/
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Re: recycling???

A goodie for those who would like to know how to distinguish between the various types of plastics in order to know what to recycle and what not:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resin_identification_code
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1. Can TetraPaks be recycled? How?
I don't really regard myself as an expert in packaging materials ... but aren't TetraPaks what milk (generally) comes in here?

Because my local supermarket has a place for recycling milk cartons (separate from plastic).

I must admit I always do my recycling when no one else is looking just in case I'm doing it wrong!
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I don't really regard myself as an expert in packaging materials ... but aren't TetraPaks what milk (generally) comes in here?

Because my local supermarket has a place for recycling milk cartons (separate from plastic).
Yes, it is confusing. The PET is for the Transparent plastic bottles and the PE (milk) ones are for the white milk plastic bottles (even though most milk does come in tetrapaks rather than those white plastic bottles).

And, while I am here, what do people do about smelly rubbish such as food leftovers? If I leave it in my bag until it is full, my whole kitchen starts to stink and I get loads of nasty flies. Do I have to buy separate plastic bags to wrap up my waste in and then put it in the bin bag? Doesn't seem very ecologically friendly to me!

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I don't really regard myself as an expert in packaging materials ... but aren't TetraPaks what milk (generally) comes in here?

Because my local supermarket has a place for recycling milk cartons (separate from plastic).
I was in my local Coop yesterday and saw a recycling spot for milk containers, but these were the all plastic type such as you might buy a yogurt drink in.

Looking at the screw top Tetrapak for pasteurised milk I have in my fridge, the instructions show undoing the bottom of the pack so that you can squash hit flat, then putting it into your rubbish bag.

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I must admit I always do my recycling when no one else is looking just in case I'm doing it wrong!
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Old 07.11.2007, 14:17
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Re: Waste Side Story [recycling collection]

OK, so ....

I have an old TV that I do not want... take it to eschenmoser.

And for other stuff like chairs or whatever that are broken, take them to the hagenholz.

I have some crappy furniture that i dont want. take it to the hagenholz or the brockenhaus.... anyone know if ýou can just drop off stuff at the brockenhaus close to zurich HB, on a saturday?

Do they normally just accept most furnitures or what? Until now, i only ever brought stuff from there rather than giving stuff to them... i must be moving up in the world.

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Old 07.11.2007, 16:10
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Re: Waste Side Story [recycling collection]

You've got the other things right but I don't think the Brockenhaus will appreciate it if you dump your old stuff in front of their store when the shop is closed

I'd contact them by email or phone (which is free but they might only speak German) and make an appointment. Usually the Brockenhaus accepts most things that aren't obviously broken beyond reselling.

If you have much stuff to dispose of, they'll come to your appartment and pick it up, this is basically free. However if you aren't sure which objects are fit for the Brockenhaus and if some belong to the Hagenholz, or if you know that you also have objects that need to be disposed in the Hagenholz, they'll pick up your items of both categories for a price.

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I have some crappy furniture that i dont want. take it to the hagenholz or the brockenhaus.... anyone know if ýou can just drop off stuff at the brockenhaus close to zurich HB, on a saturday?

Do they normally just accept most furnitures or what? Until now, i only ever brought stuff from there rather than giving stuff to them... i must be moving up in the world.
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Re: Waste Side Story [Forgetton Rubbish]

I would like to start an open survey concerning to burn or not to burn Beverage Carton (Elopak, SIG, Tetrapak) waste. Would you contribute to the recycling system if there would be an existing collection system in order to collect beverage cartons in CH? Drink cartons present a particular challenge for recycling because they are made of multiple layers of material: paper, plastic and aluminium foil. Consumers need to be convinced that a drink carton can be recycled and to separate out drink cartons from the rest of their household waste.
Drink cartons are everywhere with about 20.000 tons used every year in Switzerland, and yet they seem to be the ‘forgotton rubbish’. One of the objectives of the Swiss environmental policy is the reduction of waste by encouraging recovery and promoting the treatment of the remaining waste in an environmentally sustainable way. In order to achieve these goals, recycling has been encouraged by providing a good infrastructure, adequate information policies and by introducing financial incentives. Currently, the population is taxed for each bag of produced waste (commensurate with volume), while the collection of paper, carton, glass, PET, metals, and compost remains free of charge in most municipalities. These incentives have lead to a decline in waste production and an increase in the recycling activities. The biggest proportions of materials collected for recycling are paper, compost, and glass. Due to the ban of the possibility for landfilling of burnable waste, the current waste treatment in Switzerland consists today only of incineration and recycling activities. However, beverage cartons (liquid packaging board, LPB) are currently still incinerated as part of the municipal solid waste in one of the 28 waste incineration plants (MSWI) with energy recovery spread over the whole country. Incineration also creates more greenhouse gases than recycling. The amount of carbon dioxide produced from incineration is substantially larger than that which is produced by recycling. If the used LPB could be recycled, it would be possible to contribute to the preservation of the environment as well as to the conservation of natural resources which tend to become depleted.

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visit the following link as well in order to obtain information regarding how to recycle drink cartons in germany(unfortunately in German) http://www.getraenkekarton.de/
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Re: Waste Side Story [Forgetton Rubbish]

I would like to start an open survey concerning to burn or not to burn Beverage Carton (Elopak, SIG, Tetrapak) waste. Would you contribute to the recycling system if there would be an existing collection system in order to collect beverage cartons in CH? Drink cartons present a particular challenge for recycling because they are made of multiple layers of material: paper, plastic and aluminium foil. Consumers need to be convinced that a drink carton can be recycled and to separate out drink cartons from the rest of their household waste.
Drink cartons are everywhere with about 20.000 tons used every year in Switzerland, and yet they seem to be the ‘forgotton rubbish’. One of the objectives of the Swiss environmental policy is the reduction of waste by encouraging recovery and promoting the treatment of the remaining waste in an environmentally sustainable way. In order to achieve these goals, recycling has been encouraged by providing a good infrastructure, adequate information policies and by introducing financial incentives. Currently, the population is taxed for each bag of produced waste (commensurate with volume), while the collection of paper, carton, glass, PET, metals, and compost remains free of charge in most municipalities. These incentives have lead to a decline in waste production and an increase in the recycling activities. The biggest proportions of materials collected for recycling are paper, compost, and glass. Due to the ban of the possibility for landfilling of burnable waste, the current waste treatment in Switzerland consists today only of incineration and recycling activities. However, beverage cartons (liquid packaging board, LPB) are currently still incinerated as part of the municipal solid waste in one of the 28 waste incineration plants (MSWI) with energy recovery spread over the whole country. Incineration also creates more greenhouse gases than recycling. The amount of carbon dioxide produced from incineration is substantially larger than that which is produced by recycling. If the used LPB could be recycled, it would be possible to contribute to the preservation of the environment as well as to the conservation of natural resources which tend to become depleted.

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visit the following link as well in order to obtain information regarding how to recycle drink cartons in germany(unfortunately in German) http://www.getraenkekarton.de/
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Old 07.12.2007, 14:04
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Re: Waste Side Story [recycling collection]

Burning maybe CO2 intensive but as you point out, the energy produced/recovered from burning waste is used and distributed. I know of one commune in Neuchatel where hot water is distributed to apartment blocks from one of these incinerators, thus I would assume reducing their individual consumption of diesel and CO2 emissions.

I'm sure that there are figures that will contradict this method but it doesn't seem as balck and white as you've mentioned

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Re: Waste Side Story [recycling collection]

Hi Peri, out of curiosity, do you know what is the official reason why tetrapak recycling isn't currently available in Switzerland?

The tetrapak website (http://www.tetrapak.com/) might contain the info, but maybe you already know the answer and are willing to enlighten me...
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Re: Waste Side Story [recycling collection]

Why Tetrapak recycling isn't currently available in Switzerland? That's the question... Aprox. 15 years ago they wanted to start a collection and recycling scheme same like PET or Alu and that time they also done a life cycle assessment. But for that moment it was too early to start any collection or recycling effort for their products while it was not so clear how the recycle this material at this time. But for the moment many countries in the world like denmark, austria, germany, belgium, france, turkey, italy, spain, U.S.A., Canada....... and many others are able to collect and recycle these countries. You can visit the web sides of producers of beverage cartons to see how they manage to recycle their products (sig.com, elopak.com, tetrapak.com). O.K. back to your question again : why beverage carton recycling isn't currently available in Switzerland? The answer is 28 incineration plant in Switzerland and they don't have to spend any money for any kind of initiative. But currently there are some efforts to start a collection and recycling system concerning this issue and as of end of january 2008 I can supply you more information.
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Re: Waste Side Story Rubbish or Resource ??? To burn or not the burn ???

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Burning maybe CO2 intensive but as you point out, the energy produced/recovered from burning waste is used and distributed. I know of one commune in Neuchatel where hot water is distributed to apartment blocks from one of these incinerators, thus I would assume reducing their individual consumption of diesel and CO2 emissions.

I'm sure that there are figures that will contradict this method but it doesn't seem as balck and white as you've mentioned

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There are many benefits to the widespread use of ethanol. An obvious benefit would be to the environment. Ethanol’s oxygenating properties prove to allow for a cleaner burning fuel. Oxygenation removes or reduces many of the harmful toxins that are normally released when burning regular fuel.
Unleaded petrol as a blend with 5 % bioethanol reduces the emission of CO2 for about 3.5 % to 4.0 % per litre petrol replaced by bioethanol. That means there is a reduction of 1.6 kg to 1.8 kg CO2 emission. As long as the ethanol is produced only from renewable raw materials the production lasts CO2 neutral. The emission of greenhouse gas during the production and combustion of bioethanol get compensated by the plant's CO2 intake during its growth.

beverage cartons (liquid packaging board, LPB) are currently still incinerated as part of the municipal solid waste in one of the 28 waste incineration plants (MSWI) with energy recovery spread over the whole country. Incineration also creates more greenhouse gases than recycling. The amount of carbon dioxide produced from incineration is substantially larger than that which is produced by recycling. If the used LPB could be recycled, it would be possible to contribute to the preservation of the environment as well as to the conservation of natural resources which tend to become depleted.

There is an urgent need to examine the claimed benefits from subsidizing biofuels, and to compare those costs with the costs of meeting the same goals in other ways. Efforts aimed at reducing greenhouse gas emissions are therefore essential if we are to reduce the risk of global warming, and if Switzerland is to respect its commitments. Renewable energy from lignocellulosic biomass (i.e. LPB) is conventionally thought to avoid emissions of the greenhouse gas CO2 by replacing the roles of fossil fuels.
The Swiss government has estimated that if the current trend in CO2 emissions persists, the country would still be emitting 2.5 million more tonnes of CO2 in 2010 than its target objectives for that year, set pursuant the Kyoto Protocol. Heating and transport fuels accounted for more than 75% of Switzerland’s CO2 emissions of close to 40 million tonnes in 2003.

LPB waste contains 69 to 85 % carbohydrates with the ethanol potentials of 446l/ton (i.e. corrugated board) to 524l/ton (i.e. kraft paper).

O.K.it is not black nor white - But which way is more preferable?
incineration with energy recovery and create Co2 emmissions and helping to global warming or to recycle used beverage cartons (liquid packaging board _LPB) to help reducing CO2 emissions ??????
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Unleaded petrol as a blend with 5 % bioethanol reduces the emission of CO2 for about 3.5 % to 4.0 % per litre petrol replaced by bioethanol. That means there is a reduction of 1.6 kg to 1.8 kg CO2 emission.


Excuse me, if the CO2 emission is reduced, what else is produced instead?

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I believe this has been proven wrong.
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