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I just quit my job, please help me with some questions

Hello All
I just quit my job with no job. I have 3 months notice period on my contract:

- Do I have the right to use 1 day a week to search for a new job (like in my home country)
- I most probably serve the 3 months and go back home
- I tried to negotiate to serve less (even without pay) with no success, but I need to find a ways since I quit because this company is affecting seriously my health.
- I have 6 days holidays left (already planned and approved holidays for Xmas). then I need to work Jan & Feb (I assume I can take the proportional vacations)
- I need to negotiate my bonus for 2016

Any help/advice would be appreciated.
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Old 28.11.2016, 18:04
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Hello All
I just quit my job with no job. I have 3 months notice period on my contract:

- Do I have the right to use 1 day a week to search for a new job (like in my home country)
- I most probably serve the 3 months and go back home
- I tried to negotiate to serve less (even without pay) with no success, but I need to find a ways since I quit because this company is affecting seriously my health.
- I have 6 days holidays left (already planned and approved holidays for Xmas). then I need to work Jan & Feb (I assume I can take the proportional vacations)
- I need to negotiate my bonus for 2016

Any help/advice would be appreciated.
Not 1 full day, but reasonable time to go to interviews.
Quite normal, notice is for a reason
You will get 2/12 of your holiday entitlement next year
You are in a week position, unless it's calculated in a contractual way expect zero.
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Old 28.11.2016, 18:15
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- I tried to negotiate to serve less (even without pay) with no success, but I need to find a ways since I quit because this company is affecting seriously my health.
If the job is truly affecting your health, go and see your doctor, they can sign you off sick.
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If the job is truly affecting your health, go and see your doctor, they can sign you off sick.
Would that not extend the notice period?
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Re: I just quit my job, please help me with some questions

I have a paper from the doctor since months, she was truly pushing me to stop. Things is, if I now take my sick leave, the notice period will only grow, right?
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Would that not extend the notice period?
Yes, it would. If prolonged to a certain extend, the company then usually just offers a deal.
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Old 28.11.2016, 18:48
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Not 1 full day, but reasonable time to go to interviews.
Quite normal, notice is for a reason
You will get 2/12 of your holiday entitlement next year
You are in a week position, unless it's calculated in a contractual way expect zero.
Agreed with everything except that last. If he's been with the company for a good while and has gotten a bonus every year, linked to his performance (eg not just dependent on his company's performance), and earns less than about 350k per year (I'll go ahead and assume that's so), then his bonus is an integral part of his salary and can be pro rata claimed according to Swiss law, even if his contract claims otherwise.
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If the job is truly affecting your health, go and see your doctor, they can sign you off sick.
Doing this would also mean you get your bonus.
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Old 28.11.2016, 22:28
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Re: I just quit my job, please help me with some questions

Please note: in the case of sickness, the notice period is only extended if the employer has terminated the contract, but NOT if the employee has done so him-/herself.

So no, in OP's case, calling in sick would not extend the notice period.

It will, however, probably eliminate the remaining vacation balance, and there may be consequences on the salary payment (depending on how long s/he calls in sick, how long s/he's been employed and what kind of sickness insurance the company has). Bonus payment depends on whatever's agreed in the contract (or the company policy). Can be everything, pro-rated or nothing. If not clearly defined, calling in sick will probably not help and I'd assume there won't be any bonus.
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- Do I have the right to use 1 day a week to search for a new job (like in my home country)
No, your work time still belongs to your employer and you're still to work your 42 or however many hours on average. He does have to give you time off for interviews etc. when needed, in a reasonable amount.
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Re: I just quit my job, please help me with some questions

I am afraid the situation is different as it is you who resigned.
In such case you do not get time off for interviews etc. You get that only if you were terminated by the employer.
As stated by others, sickness during your notice does not extend the notice - again because it is you who resigned.
You can actually be sick as much as one month before the employer may reduce your vacation entitlement. If you are ill > 1 month, they can reduce your vacation entitlement by 1/12 for each month of illness.
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I am afraid the situation is different as it is you who resigned.
In such case you do not get time off for interviews etc. You get that only if you were terminated by the employer.
Nope that is incorrect. Whether you have resigned yourself or not doesn't matter. You always get time off for interviews if necessary, just a "reasonable amount" as others have said, which is usually around half a day a week. It's not a fixed amount and certainly not one day every week or whatever.
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Nope that is incorrect. Whether you have resigned yourself or not doesn't matter. You always get time off for interviews if necessary, just a "reasonable amount" as others have said, which is usually around half a day a week. It's not a fixed amount and certainly not one day every week or whatever.
You're right ...
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Re: I just quit my job, please help me with some questions

Foxmulder, you should go and register with RAV as soon as possible. Even though you quit yourself, you will be entitled to unemployment money. They will ask you why you resigned and if you have a good reason, you will get off with a few weeks' penalty. But to avoid any further penalties due to not looking for a job, start applying ASAP and register with RAV.

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Re: I just quit my job, please help me with some questions

Thanks for your replies. Here are some thoughts:

- I want to leave Switzerland as soon as I can, I think it is not hones to claim for unemployment if I will leave the country as soon as I can
- I need to serve my 3 months of notice period (my company confirmed they won't release me earlier), but I am really not in good shape. My doctor in my home country has been pushing me for months to take a break
- It seems to be conflictive information whether the notice period will be extended or not if I take my sick leave
- I am an honest guys, I do not want to leave the company in a bad way, but they are forcing me to work on a new plan which I will not implement and I think it won't be fair to the new person in charge when she/he comes

Thanks for your help
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Old 29.11.2016, 10:41
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Thanks for your replies. Here are some thoughts:


- I am an honest guys, I do not want to leave the company in a bad way, but they are forcing me to work on a new plan which I will not implement and I think it won't be fair to the new person in charge when she/he comes
There´s unfortunately nothing much you can do about that. You are still employed by the company and receive your salary so they can ask you to do your job. Good luck though!
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Old 29.11.2016, 10:51
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- I want to leave Switzerland as soon as I can, I think it is not hones to claim for unemployment if I will leave the country as soon as I can
- I need to serve my 3 months of notice period (my company confirmed they won't release me earlier), but I am really not in good shape. My doctor in my home country has been pushing me for months to take a break
First of all: Good luck with your job change and I hope you get back in shape medically asap.

1. Samaire is right: When you quit your job does calling in sick NOT extend the notice period. Here is a link on the topic from the most popular consumer mag in CH: http://www.beobachter.ch/arbeit-bild...-nacharbeiten/

2. I think it's great that you do not want to milk the system. There is no nice way to say it differently: I have met more expats than locals who really abused the RAV beyond what's ethically correct. But I think that if you do not have a job lined up and you really had health issues that forced you to quit should you not feel bad to register with them and get your payments till you find a job. They pay you as long as you are seriously searching... and that includes searching for a job abroad.
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First of all: Good luck with your job change and I hope you get back in shape medically asap.

1. Samaire is right: When you quit your job does calling in sick NOT extend the notice period. Here is a link on the topic from the most popular consumer mag in CH: http://www.beobachter.ch/arbeit-bild...-nacharbeiten/

2. I think it's great that you do not want to milk the system. There is no nice way to say it differently: I have met more expats than locals who really abused the RAV beyond what's ethically correct. But I think that if you do not have a job lined up and you really had health issues that forced you to quit should you not feel bad to register with them and get your payments till you find a job. They pay you as long as you are seriously searching... and that includes searching for a job abroad.
Thanks a lot for your help
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Re: I just quit my job, please help me with some questions

Guys
I asked my HR manager about time for interviews and here the response:

"The point for serchings a job is that you have the right to go to interviews for a new job anytime.
But you have to take holiday or overtime compensation, if the interviews are on the normal working time."

I understood from reading other posts that I have the right to search for a new job, correct?
What happens if, since I am moving back home, I work from home one day (I normally do that on Fridays) and I use some hours for job search? would that be allowed?
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Re: I just quit my job, please help me with some questions

As far as I am aware, if you are being made redundant then your employer must allow you time off during work time to attend interviews. If you choose to search for a new job of your own accord, then your employer doesn't have to give you time off (at their expense) to attend an interview, why would they
It's not unreasonable of them to ask you to use leave or take the time unpaid (whether you are normally working at home or in the office).
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