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What kanton would be the best place for me to start teaching?

In two years I will move to Switzerland to teach English in an international school (assuming I get a job and visa). I will live with my Swiss girlfriend who is a primary school teacher. I want to live in Biel, but she said that we should live in Zurich because the salaries for teachers are much higher (this is for public school teachers, I don't know for internatinal school teachers). Can anyone tell me if the cost of living makes it more or less the same, or if there really are better kantons to live and work. Thank you.
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Re: What kanton would be the best place for me to start teaching?

Are there any international schools near Bienne? Otherwise, you'll have a long commute to somewhere like Basel or Zurich.

Yes, of course the salaries are higher in Zurich, but so are the costs: rental, etc. There are several links here which may help:

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The other thing to consider is language. I see you're learning French which frankly will be worth zilch in Zurich as they speak German there. Bienne is bi-lingual so you will find both French and German spoken in the city.
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Re: What kanton would be the best place for me to start teaching?

I think you should move to wherever you find a job in an international school
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Re: What kanton would be the best place for me to start teaching?

One where you will get a job.

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Re: What kanton would be the best place for me to start teaching?

If you want to live in Biel you should apply for a position at the international school in Solothurn - only a 15-minute train ride away. A very easy commute.

Cost of housing is so much lower in Biel I can hardly imagine the salary difference between Kanton Zurich and Kanton Berne making up for it.

Solothurn is a German-speaking town but Biel is bilingual French and German. We like living here a lot!

Good luck with your job search.

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Re: What kanton would be the best place for me to start teaching?

OP, as you learn from the responses here, it's not easy to get a job here in CH, especially if you're targeting Zurich. Please do consider this before you move.
There's a lot of threads on here before about depressed members, partly due to not being able to find a job (and facing all stereotypes of Swiss people and culture, which you'd also learn by reading threads here). Good luck!
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In two years' time......nothing like being prepared

Public school teacher, you'll need a very high level of spoken and written local language, be it French, German or Italian, but as already pointed out, French will not be a lot of use in Zurich
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Re: What kanton would be the best place for me to start teaching?

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I survived 4 years in Zurich with fluent French.

Just saying.

And many years in Ticino.

On the other hand, my wife gets on just fine in Zurich with only Italian.

But trust me, you don't want to be the store clerk who doesn't understand her.

My wife's philosophy is "I'm Swiss, I speak Italian, only stupid people don't speak Italian."

Really.

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In two years I will move to Switzerland to teach English in an international school (assuming I get a job and visa). I will live with my Swiss girlfriend who is a primary school teacher. I want to live in Biel, but she said that we should live in Zurich because the salaries for teachers are much higher (this is for public school teachers, I don't know for internatinal school teachers). Can anyone tell me if the cost of living makes it more or less the same, or if there really are better kantons to live and work. Thank you.
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Didn't you post a few months back asking similar qus?

Bottom line, as others have said, it will depend entirely on where you secure a post. Are you fully qualified yet, with experience? Good references and a proven track record are important. There is a lot of competition for international teaching jobs.

The international schools tend, for obvious reasons, to be in or near cities, which drives associated living costs up.

Pay is good, but not great. You won't make your fortune, but depending on your life style, and if you have two incomes, it'll be comfortable I'd say.

Get qualified, if you aren't already, get experience and apply everywhere. Tesonline has international job listings, eteach may too.
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Re: What kanton would be the best place for me to start teaching?

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...Didn't you post a few months back asking similar qus?
Yes, but rephrasing every few months might get different answers. And more questions come up the closer the time gets.

For reference these are OPs other threads:

International school job fairs (for Swiss positions)

Recognition of Irish/British qualifications for public schools

Job market for Swiss public school teachers?

Particular question on teaching English (unique question)

I was tempted to merge but 5 threads in one can get really confusing.
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Yes, but rephrasing every few months might get different answers. And more questions come up the closer the time gets..
Yes, but it's essentially a "how long is a piece of string" enquiry. Absolutes are required when only maybes, at best, can be given.
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Are there any international schools near Bienne? Otherwise, you'll have a long commute to somewhere like Basel or Zurich.

Yes, of course the salaries are higher in Zurich, but so are the costs: rental, etc. There are several links here which may help:

General Info / Cost of living

The other thing to consider is language. I see you're learning French which frankly will be worth zilch in Zurich as they speak German there. Bienne is bi-lingual so you will find both French and German spoken in the city.
I would travel from Biel to Berne, Basel (I'm okay with the time travelling as I'd work on the train), Neuchâtel, and Delemont).

I am currently living in Switzerland now so I'm learning German, too.

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I think you should move to wherever you find a job in an international school

Ha I know I will probably end up doing this, but it was my girlfriend's idea to go to Zurich, and frankly I'm indifferent as long as I can work there.

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Didn't you post a few months back asking similar qus?

Bottom line, as others have said, it will depend entirely on where you secure a post. Are you fully qualified yet, with experience? Good references and a proven track record are important. There is a lot of competition for international teaching jobs.

The international schools tend, for obvious reasons, to be in or near cities, which drives associated living costs up.

Pay is good, but not great. You won't make your fortune, but depending on your life style, and if you have two incomes, it'll be comfortable I'd say.

Get qualified, if you aren't already, get experience and apply everywhere. Tesonline has international job listings, eteach may too.
Hi, yes I did post before. I am happy with all the information the users on this board have given me. I was just asking if it is better for a person to live and work in Zurich compared to another kanton relative to the cost of living. I thought that each would work out roughly the same, but my girlfriend was adamant that Zurich would be the best choice for this reason; I just wanted to ask here in case she was right.

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Re: What kanton would be the best place for me to start teaching?

An Irishman teaching English, now I've heard it all!
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Well sure I do be speakin with the odd cúpla focal but sure isn't dat jus fair play like?
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Re: What kanton would be the best place for me to start teaching?

Please, use your common sense. Of course salaries will be different in the same way that salaries in Ireland are different. Are you trying to tell me people living and working in Dublin don't get paid more than those who work in a small town/village? And of course costs are correspondingly higher in Dublin than in that small town/village.

Look at the links, see what information they can give you and then come back with more definite questions than are some cantons better than others. Money isn't everything so you also need to factor in leisure activities, etc, into any possible employment in future.

I also suggest you get hold of a copy of "Living and Working in Switzerland" by David Hampshire. It's full of useful info for both before and after you make the move.

And how are you living here at the moment? Do you have a resident's permit/student permit? Because otherwise you're limited to 90 days before you need to leave again.
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Are you trying to tell me people living and working in Dublin don't get paid more than those who work in a small town/village?
Hmm, if you are a teacher it would appear yes! It is is fairly unionised and while the salary scale on their site takes into account service and qualifications, there seems to be nothing about location! Which is very strange because I know both military and Garda (police) have such cost of living allowances....
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Hmm, if you are a teacher it would appear yes! It is is fairly unionised and while the salary scale on their site takes into account service and qualifications, there seems to be nothing about location! Which is very strange because I know both military and Garda (police) have such cost of living allowances....
It's very unionised. It has to be. Any UK teacher who's not in one of the unions is, at best, naive.

For the UK (not sure if that includes Scotland) there is a payscale for everywhere that isn't London, one for inner London and yet another for outer London. So yes, a rural teacher on Main Pay Scale Point 2, for example, would get paid the same as a city teacher on MPS 2 ( providing the city in question isn't London). Obviously, Academies and private schools can do their own thing (although many don't).

The pay scale is commensurate with skills and experience, not location. Obviously there are extra pay enhancements available to sweeten the pot to get people into cities, but that's anot arrangement between the teacher and the school.
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